1917 Blanchard Pendant

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  1. James K

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    My latest find.
    I am very happy with it and hope to get it running.
    If anyone has any pics of the bits i am missing or pics of one dismantled for reference that would be handy, and also any help or advice would be appreciated.

    Enjoy the pics.

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    Looks like model 1303 or 1307. Same lamp really just indoor and outdoor versions. Missing the cowling over the top of the burner head and alone those missing bits won't stop it working. However it also seems to be missing the plug on top of the burner casting and I suspect the pricker carrier is also missing since I can't see the top of the carrier rack. They are near impossible parts to find I'm afraid but there is just a small chance someone may have them. I think I might have a spare pricker rack and the plug is just a steel piece which could be turned on a lathe. Tricky lamps to fettle although with a little practice and the right tools simple enough. Best way with Blanchard and Barnard is to meet with someone who has worked on them before who can show you how to dismantle and fettle these burners. Where are you? There are a few of us scattered about the UK with experience and can help here. ::Neil::
     
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    Hello Neil, thank you for your reply.
    I didnt think this one would be easy to fettle, but will be worth the effort as it is such a beautiful lamp.
    Any missing bits will have to be made from scratch which is a lot easier if you know what you are making.
    I am happy to ask for help on this one as it would be a shame to damage it with any rookie mistakes, esp if special tools are required to dismantle it.
    I am near Norwich in East Anglia if there are any blanchard experts in the area.
    Thanks again, James
     
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    A lucky find and a very worthwhile restoration project!:thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Had a go at burner disassembly, threaded brass tube has a hole in it and looks like something should be inside it and move up and down with the gear. Brass cone looks like it will come off if i could get to the nuts underneath it to remove the gear shaft.
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    Hi James if you remove the pricker control knob the cone lifts off the burner and slides off the shaft
    The burner nozzle shaft should not have a hole in may need silver soldering up
    Burner is dated 9 17 so its Sept 1917 so over 100 year old
    Pete
     
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    Hi @James K

    Afraid I know nothing on the workings of a Blanchard, just thought I'd say hello from another Norfolkite!

    Hope you fettle goes well and look forward to your updates.

    Regards Jeremy
     
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    That's about 100 miles for me. Not an impossible trip though. Couple of hours drive perhaps. Might be worth considering making the trip here. I have 7 or 8 of these Blanchard burners on lamps here and have made most of them work and there is a good chance we can make yours live again. I have just looked at my stuff and I do have a spare pricker rack and needle. I don't have a spare top burner plug though. That can probably be copied although I don't know the thread and that may be a problem. At some point I will probably be paying a visit to Stu in Thetford and maybe a meet there would be handy as Stu might be able to make a new plug. In the meantime here is a composite which shows the rack and pinion pricker parts. ::Neil::

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    Hello, it is possible to build the needle carrier itself. Here are the pictures. If you need it, I will send you the size of the needle holder.
    I wish a nice day.

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    @ Mackburner,:
    Hello Mackburner, please can you tell me the diameter of the hole for the nozzle
    communicate? For the wall and hanging lamp?
    Thank you !
     
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    I think it's 7thou for 300cp and 6thou for 150 cp Neil should be along soon
    Pete
     
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    Hi guys

    Nice lamp

    ///Fernando
     
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    I don't know. I just grind down prickers to about 0.006" until the needle fits whatever I'm working with. 6 and 7 thou seems about right though. I have no way to easily measure the hole size. The jets are steel and don't wear much so often an old lamp will work fine once you sort the pricker out. Old lamps that have not been used for years often have a broken needle and you can't put a new needle in without first removing the jet to make sure it doesn't have a needle tip broken off in there. If it does then your new needle will break the first time you operate it. You need a ground down 9mm box wrench to remove the jet. Simple enough with the right tool.

    I think you and I need to meet and fettle this one. I don't know of anyone nearer with the expertise and tools to work on the lamp and I can probably make it run. I have a pendant here with a badly worn spindle pinion and I reckon you can have the top plug from that because I can't run my lamp anyway. PM me and let's see if we can work something out. ::Neil::
     
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    I have two Blanchard Lampen.One nozzle destroyed by the broken needl.Ich could remove the nozzle and change the lamp so that a nozzle of Petromax can be installed. But 350 and 250 nozzles are probably too large.
    The air flow is so strong that the flame is blown out ](*,):doh:
     
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    Hello Everyone and thank you for all your help and support, it is much appreciated.

    Doing the easy bits first, i have just had a go at making a heat deflector.

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    Looks good like the 3 socket former idea I would never have thought of that
     
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    :Daumen hoch:

    Danke für den guten Vorschlag: p
     
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    Just had first test firing, still plenty of work to do but its coming back to life.
    Credit and thanks to Neil and Henry for their help with the burner.

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    Fuel tank and motor sorted, just need to fix the bodywork. Looking good !

    Henry.
     
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    Nor me - very clever, indeed. I guess if you tried sets of three sockets of slightly different sizes, you'd end up producing the correct sized crimping that exactly overlapped as you went round i.e. you wouldn't see the 'join'. But that's a brilliant effort - the best reproduction I've ever seen... :thumbup: :clap:
     
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    Nice work.

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    Very good to see it making light. Henry and I were very pleased that we were able to find enough parts to complete the burner but we only ran it without a mantle so had a Bunsen flame but no light. Took a bit of fiddling about to get a working spindle and it was fortuitious that even though damaged there were enough cogs left on your original part to make the pricker work. Looking very good. ::Neil::
     
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    Well saved one and all!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Green and available, you got the job!
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    If at first you dont succeed, try try again.
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    Well fettled!:thumbup:
     
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    Very nice job, @James K.

    :thumbup:

    Cheers

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    Getting there ! :clap:
     
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    That certainly looks the part, well done !

    Henry.
     
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    After some tinkering time we now have a finished for now sweet running blanchard.
    Thanks again to Neil for his help.

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