1947 Primus 991 (NOS)

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  1. Tive

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    Hello Fellow lampies

    This one i've had for sometime, i found it like this, just dirtier, unlit, and unlit it will stay.

    The smallest Primus lantern, about the size of an Optimus 200, Petromax 827 type lantern, but much more original in style.
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    Made in 1947, but good as new, enjoy regards Frederik
     
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    Hej Tive,
    How nice in 991 and share to us again.
     
  3. Nils Stephenson

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    That's a very nice example of a 991. Any chance of a photo of the glass logo? It looks like it might be a Nife glass.
     
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    Thanks Nils,

    well' the glass that came with this lantern was unmarked and of very heavy gauge glass, see the before pictures.

    1480056989-1947_Primus_991_Before_1_opt.jpg 1480057006-1947_Primus_991_before_2_opt.jpg

    But the glass cylinder i put in the lantern now is a straight Primus Jeaner glass, marked as made in Jena, not Mainz.

    Frederik
     
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    Thanks Frederik. That's interesting with the glass. If the lamp is NOS, then you would expect the glass to be original. I wonder where it came from.
     
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    Yea, well' everything else was untouched and the glass was dusty too, and with no markings at all, but with alot of imperfections, have no idea' on what company could have manufactured the cylinder. maybe, just maybe it could be made in Sweden or scandinavia by Nife in 1947, since the new Jenaer glass production moved to Mainz in 1945 was not fully up and running until 1952. The old factory in Jena was taken over by Soviet, and even if the original factory kept som production going, soon the Soviet union moved machinery and Knowledge to Moscow, meaning that the Jenaer glass could have been hard to come by. Frederik
     
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    This can be found on the Jenaer glass on the net,

    Americans were the first to liberate Jena. But the Four Powers pact called for handing the territory over to the Russians in 1945. Prior to leaving what would soon become Eastern Germany, US troops transfer the "brain trust" of Jenaer Glas to the West. Included in the manoeuvre were forty-one of the company's scientists, administrators and their families.
    Jenaer Glas would suffer further dismantling under the incoming Soviets. In 1946, Russian troops begin dismantling all the machinery that survived the war for transfer to the Soviet Union. The renowned factory is soon left an empty carcass.
    But the Germans persevere in reconstructing much of what was lost. Unfortunately, the repairs are completed just in time for all property to become expropriated by the state. In 1948 the company become a state-owned "property of the people."

    So 1947 would be a hard year for optaining Jean glass.

    Frederik
     
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    Nils, i found the original glass that came with this NOS lantern. It was manufactured by the Italian Pyrex manufacturer MIVA, So i guess Primus searched for pyrex glass elswere during atleast 1947, in fact it would be interesting to monitor Primus lanterns manufactured during 1947, to see if we can find more MIVA glass cylinders.
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    Frederik
     
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    I know I have one of these glass cylinders somewhere. From memory I thought it was on an Optimus 200, but I could be wrong. I'll have to start digging. :)
     
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    Yea this is fun research ! and i guess Optimus would found it equally hard to find suitable glass cylinders around 1947. :-k
     
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    A fine example! :thumbup:
     
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    Congratulations on a great Primus 991 Frederik.

    Here is another Primus 991 Pyrex glass. Not shure about the year. Its branded differently. It does not have the MIVA logo. It would be interesting to find out more.
     
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    Cool, keep them commin'

    I've seen this variant before, i dont' know where though, maybe it was on a lantern sold in England.

    Nice ! / Fred
     
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    Mystery solved. I now have an exact year as well. Its from 1947. The glass you have is probably from the same year. The 1020 had them as well in 1947 as well as Primus 1321. (Information based on other examples from 1947 unused and used)
     
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    Great ! any photos on similar glass cylinders ?
     
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    Here is another one from 1947.

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    1480428762-Primus_991_1947.jpg

    I did not realize until your post that the Pyrex glass was an original 1947 glass. Another Primus 991 from 1947 similar to yours in the collection.
     
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    All I can find so far is a 1321 from 1947 that has a glass like your 991. It has no markings and a lot of air bubbles.
     
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    There is a link to a 1020 / 1321 glass above. Its from 1947 and has Primus Regd markings. Maybe just different batches from 1947?
     
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    Maybe we should start a separate thread about production years for Primus glasses?
     

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