Acquired a Kayen heater

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  1. Walkop Australia

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    Have been after one of these for a while, think it would be handy for cold winter time campsites if nothing else.
    Picked this one of ebay and overall in quite good condition, all parts are there. No dings in the font and holds pressure well despite a leak due to mismatch seals. Have a seal kit coming.
    The pricker rod wire is broken and the top of the vapouriser seems to be filed off ?

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    Quite some fettling marks.

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    The filed off vaporiser

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    A new vaporiser and pricker rod will be needed. Unfortunately do not have much of a workshop.

    The burner is an old asbestos type which I handle gingerly with glove, facemask and googles. Currently sitting in a sealed box until I sort out the vaporiser issues.

    Would appreciate some tips as to where to get a new stainless steel mesh burner.

    Hope to get this heater going as have a few camping trips coming up.

    Thanks for looking.
     
  2. Tony Press

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    Good find!

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    @Walkop That looks very smart :)

    Parts will be available and folk on here have made their own mantles with good results.. a few threads abounding.. Good luck and well done :-)
     
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    Seems to be in great condition apart from the vapouriser. New made steel mesh mantles are about on ebay from UK and Korean vendors. You could try a fine stone on the top of the vapouriser and then rely on the replacement pricker to nudge the hole open, but I suspect somebody was trying to get a knackered vapouriser to work
     
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    Happy fettling.:thumbup:
     
  6. Walkop Australia

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    Thanks for all the comments and tips. Read many threads and have tracked down a new vapouriser from Korea (hope it is a good one, bit of controversey about these) and new stainless steel mantle from J. Shaw.

    With covid delays will be a long time before the parts turn up so plenty of time for polishing.

    Basically the heater is in good original condition and have no doubt it will work well.
     
  7. Buggerlugs

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    Looks like a very nice find congratulations mate.
     
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    I've used SS mantles made by John Gannon at ASSOCIATED KEROSENE OIL LAMPS AUSTRALIA. They are at Braidwood, NSW. They should be quicker than from overseas.
     
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    I contacted the Gannons from whom I have bought items over the years. Unfortunately John does not have any in stock and is not making any in the foreseable future.

    TW Sands can't supply any either. It appears their parts making bloke is heavily committed at the moment and not making any mantles at the present time.
     
  10. Tony Press

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    I’ve got one if you want it, @Walkop.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  11. Buggerlugs

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    This is where I get mine from great quality.
     
  12. podbros

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    Almost 20 quid now???
     
  13. Walkop Australia

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    @Tony Press : Thanks for the offer much appreciated. I have a mantle kit plus an extra mantle on order from Julian's so will wait for the slow boat to get it here.

    Delievery is tedious but will just have to wait.
     
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    The full burner kit came in surprisingly quickly so got stuck into it. Just put the mesh on the existing spigot which had a ceramic washer.

    There are some differences with the spigot and ceramic washer on the existing burner and the ones supplied with the kit. Kayen different to a Tilley ? Can see it will be a struggle with a vise and wrench to remove the existing spigot so will leave that till tomorrow.

    Also fitted a new 7 inch vaporiser which came from Taiwan and seems to be very good quality.

    Anyhow the flame so far, more tinkering on the way.

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  15. Buggerlugs

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    No they are the same, yours look perfect to me the wire mantle that is.
    How long did you pre burner for?
    Also do you use the draft shield?
    To me it looks like you haven't heated the vaporiser long enough.
     
  16. Walkop Australia

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    Used the draft shield and gave a good preheat. When the photo was taken the heater had been running for about 10 mins.

    Will give another try tomorrow.
     
  17. Buggerlugs

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    How many pump?
     
  18. Tony Press

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    @Walkop

    Before you do anything with that Kayen burner can you post a photograph of the burner, spigot and ceramic tube. Not all Kayen radiator burners conform to the Tilley pattern.

    If your getting too much fuel, the jet in the vapouriser might be enlarged.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  19. Buggerlugs

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    Sorry I didn't explain what I meant properly, I was just talking about the wire mantle being the same, not the burner head they are different.
     
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    @Walkop

    I just checked my box of Kayen burners. At least three that I can definitely identify as Kayen are constructed like the Kayen lantern burner. That is, the spigot does not unscrew from the above brass unit. It is are spun from the same piece of brass. See here:

    Did Tilley ever make a burner that did not have a screw-in spigot?

    I also have a couple that I’m sure are Kayen where the spigot does screw in. On these there is thread showing at the top of the spigot.


    Cheers

    Tony
     
  21. Buggerlugs

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    I have also checked my Kayen heater burner head and the spigot on mine does unscrew as well, also showing thread at the top of the spigot.
     
  22. Walkop Australia

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    @Tony Press Thanks for that info, then mine must be a Kayen burner. Another post following soon.
     
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    Well success or at least a good improvement. Very early in the morning gave the font another rinse to be sure, the kero that was in came out clean.

    Next took the burner apart and gave it a good scrub with hot water and a brush. Cleaned out all the nozzles, galleries etc. Bits of grunge came out.

    Put the cleaned burner together and gave a good preheat, 70 strokes of the pump which I normally do for the Kayens which resulted in a lot better burn.

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    Running the heater to keep warm, later will pull the burner apart and take photos as requested.
     
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  24. Tony Press

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    That’s much better! It’s cold here, probably pretty cold it Bathurst.

    By the way, the Kayen burners come with different lengths of spigots. Some are quite long to accommodate a long cylindrical mantle. I have a few of these burners and the have two bits of ceramic cylinder to make up for the length of the spigot/mantle.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Long Kayen spigots:

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    Tony
     
  26. Walkop Australia

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    @Tony Press : Thanks for those photos, mine is different with a short ceramic sleeve. The spigot appears to be screwed into the burner body, there is a little bit of thread protruding up inside the burner body.
    The spigot appears to be well embedded into the body of the burner so will leave it for now.
    But the burner holes are machined into the body of the burner a la Kayen.

    Might cut the ceramic down a bit and put it on my spigot. But for the moment the heater is running well which is pleasing.
    Have a couple of camping trips coming up which is why I acquired this heater so will leave things as they are for the moment as it is running well enough to be useful.

    Some photos of the burner

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    With the Julian Shaw spigot for comparison

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  27. Tony Press

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    If the ceramic tube is touching the burner at the top of the spigot, and not protruding through the mantle, you should be fine.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  28. Walkop Australia

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    @Tony Press : thanks for that tip, all is ok. Tonight snow is predicted so will give the heater a good run.
     
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    @Walkop

    Be very cautious about attempting to unscrew the spigot on your burner. I have just gone through all of mine, and the ones that I assume are one piece (not screwed in) look just like your one from the inside. I have tried to unscrew them to no avail. All the ones that unscrew have thread showing well below the outside surface of the plate with the holes.

    I need to take one to a machinist to tell me how it has been made.


    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    It does look to be working extremely well by that picture :thumbup::thumbup:

    @Walkop I concur with Tony regarding dissembling.. if it is working ok then all good..:thumbup:

    How do you feel the new vapouriser is working? Would you recommend it or even buy another or is it too soon to say?
    Great fettle and pics :)
     

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