Another Coleman 238 B found in South Africa

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  1. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    Greeting to all the Followers of the Light :content:

    Here a fun little story

    This starts with a good friend of mine turning 50 years young.
    As I have been smitten by the lamp disease - I thought it wise to give my friend a little darkness chaser as a present - This as I had a spare and we have this wonderful state run entity called LOAD SHEDDING here in sunny South Africa

    So here is Pete's Gift Petes Gift.jpg

    So a little lesson and Pete was a very happy camper with what he said was the best gift he received

    On Monday this week my mate send me this - Was clearing out a shed on his farm and happened upon a lamp

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    Well this got my juices flowing as I have not seen one of these

    I contacted my fellow Fettle Master Phill Botha- Phaedrus - i think is his user name here - Phill please correct me if I am wrong

    Phill advised that I secure the lamp AT ALL cost

    So lucky for me - the lamp and the greater watchers out there - My friend stated that he had no use for this and would be happy if I gave him a worker as trade

    So I raced to my collection and very quickly found a 339


    Petes Trade.jpg

    Collection will happen - God willing this Sunday

    The amazing part of this story is that Phill's lamp and this one Lived very close to each other

    I will try and find out as much as I can about the Farm - Previous owners etc -
    I hope to go and see Phill this afternoon as I am pretty sure I can find out more details on his Lamps history - I do know a fair amount of people in the Hermanus and Stanford area that could - Please excuse the pun - "Shed more light into this dazzling story"

    That folks is the start of the story

    More details will surely follow after I collect and very gently look at the way forward

    Lamp Delight

    Your Fellow "ParrafinAllien"

    Warwick Beaumont

    Ps - Please excuse the Organum on the first pic - Peter does like his Pizza :lol:
     
  2. outback boy Australia

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    Good Story Warwick, this may start a new gift giving trend, who knows where and what fine lantern could turn up in return, cheers, enjoy that great Coleman, Frank
     
  3. phaedrus42

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    Noteworthy is that this is only the 2nd one ever found that uses the 237 generator.
     
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    A good find and your trade item is a fine lantern.
     
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    Actually the count is now 3, as far as I know. This one, the one referenced in CPL by an Australian collector and there is also another one referenced in the Coleman forum (CCF) by a different Australian who bought it in Victoria.
     
  6. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    Greetings All

    The Lamp has been collected

    Here a few pics pre cleaning on some of the detail as found

    Phill has advised that before I strip it down

    I will get the lamp to him that we can compare against his version

    Here a pic of the embossed Collar

    Rapid Light Collar.jpg

    Here a pic of the Cap in place where the rapid heater would go - Apologies - Bad pic

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  7. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    Let the Giving begin :D/
     
  8. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    The above @ Frank / Outback Boy
     
  9. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    Greetings All
    What a pleasure to share a table with Phill today
    Not every day one gets the opportunity to compare 3 lamps live in one place

    Here we had a look at the 3 lamps that are all different but yet the same
    So have Warwick's 238b vs Phill's 238b vs Phill's 238b "Special"

    Phill please add your comments if I miss anything :lol:
    My lamp is a 238b that has the collar with the probable overstamped at factory 8B on the Collar - Phills 238B did not have the original collar - Phills Special 238 does not have the Overstamp 8B on the 237 Generator on the collar

    Differences noticed on the clocking
    As well as the different Valve stem on the special compared to the 2 regulars
    Also the Generator fit on the special has a smaller hole to accommodate the 237 Generator - My lamp has been converted by the previous owner with a brass sleeve inserted onto the 237 Generator - Noted that the length is to long to accommodate correct pressure flow into the air stem

    Connection points for the bail are also different on the special
    Also the regular has the base plate different to the special

    Seems the Rapid burner cap was soldered close on my lamp - and the obvious - valve was removed

    More detailed pics will come when I gently strip down and soak


    See the Overstamp vs not

    238 B vs Phils Special - Collar differances.jpg

    Addapted 237 Gen sleeve.jpg

    See Adapted collar on the 237 gennie to fit the larger hole - corrections are needed here as the tip is not fully open - Sleeve is to long

    Large hole Phill 238b.jpg

    Here Phill's Lamp with the large hole for the Correct Gennie

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    Here is the Money Shot for now - Definitely Not every Day that one gets 3 Musketeers at Table together


    What a Lamping privilege - Thanks Phill Again :D/
     
  10. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    Well after an early rise this am

    The little baby came apart fairly easy without any damages

    Trusty Svea 155 on duty for the warm bath

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    All in the tub for a little love treatment to remove all the years of grime

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    Happy fettling.:thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Firstly, thanks for the many pictures and comments of this very uncommon lantern type. I have been following these for some time. I am, despite your explanations, still a bit unclear on their status. Have I got this right please:

    * there are 3 in SA
    * 2 of them have the straight generator
    * of those two with the straight generator one is original and one has been modified to fit

    What I am confused about is really how many of them are genuine 238B lanterns with a genuine straight Coleman generator as original. Since I know of two in Australia that do NOT have the unusual 238B ringed generator. I am trying to know how many to add to the world count of these 'special 238B lanterns' with the ones found in South Africa. Simply are there now 3 or 4 in the world.

    Hope this makes sense.

    Regards
     
  13. Warwick Beaumont South Africa

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    Segman - WE were looking at 3 models -
    2 are supposed to have the ribbed Gennie - This as the hole in the air tube was big to fit the bigger Gennie
    When looking at just those 2 - My one has an overstamp on the collar 237 stamped with an 8b - The other did not have original collar -

    The 3rd is a ponder lamp - this as its complete with the Pre burner but the hole in the breather is smaller to fit a 237 gennie - Plus it does state on the Collar - uses 237 gennie - Hope that makes more sense
     
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    Many thanks.
     

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