ca 1920 Lilor portable hanging lamp

Discussion in 'Lilor - Liotard Frères' started by Conny C, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. Conny C

    Conny C Sweden Subscriber

    Nov 29, 2010
    Hi all,

    Here's a French nearly hundred years old lady, back from the dead and now up and kicking! This is a Liotard Freres/Paris Lilor no.4201 portable hanging lamp from the very early 20,s.

    The Liotard Freres/Paris started out as metallurgic company in 1858 and from the first years of the 20th century the also started making different kind of lamps. From the middle of the 10,s
    they began manufacturing both portable and hollow wire pressure lamps /stoves/ heaters, as well as gravity and wick fed lamps. Now also production of carbide lamp appliances and electrical ditto began.
    The 20,s and 30,s were the prime time for this company's production of lamps, stoves, and heaters, and I think was the biggest manufacturer of its kind, at that time in France.

    They began also in the 30,s a co-operation with Coleman (maybe Coleman Canada), selling at least three different Colman lantern models in France, the 220B, 228B and the 246B.

    A pressure cooker ( Marmitte) also became a huge success for this company. In late 30,s they started with butane gas appliances and butane gas (later propane) tank storages and changed its name to "Primagaz", still existing.

    I´m confident Michel will know more of this company as he has done a fine research on it.

    Lilor was the brand name used by this company; comes from "LI" in Liotard Freres and "LOR" from the company's location in "Lorraine" street in Paris.
    Regarding the GPA,s - Lilor invented and used four types of burner heads, Bec Magic, Bec Atout, Bec Sta and Bec Lor. The last ones, the Sta and Lor burner,
    are their last invented and used burner heads beginning somewhere in the very first years of the 20,s. The lamp 4201 I will now present has that Lor burner head,
    but have also had different types of configurations during the years of 1915-1930

    This lamp came to me with a scarred and gold metal painted surface. Everything (except the cleaning needle) was painted, even the jet. A couple of big cracks and multiple small ones.
    I had a problem to unscrew the gauge, but managed eventually and could see the original state of blackened, scarred and corroded surface that was there before a previous owner had painted it with gold metal paint.
    This is one of the hardest restoration I have done and will not bore you with the details. On the bright side - everything except the shade was there; so after working with this one nearly two weeks now, I can finally say it is up and running.

    This is 150 CP gasoline fed burner and uses an alcohol fork type asbestos torch for pre heating. It ran pretty good, but I think a bit too rich (some yellow in the Bunsen flame).
    The shade is an original Lilor one, and was an option among other gas type shades used for this burner and lamp.


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  2. taiwan_lei

    May 13, 2015
    I love this one.

    JEFF JOHNSON United Kingdom Subscriber

    Nov 28, 2010
    Shetland Islands UK..
    It's a grand old lamp once again! :thumbup: :D/ :D/ :clap: :clap: :D/ :D/ :thumbup:
  4. Tony Press

    Tony Press Australia Subscriber

    Aug 28, 2012
    Stinkpot Bay, Howden, Tasmania, Australia
    Great restoration of an historic lamp, Conny.


  5. ROBBO55

    ROBBO55 Subscriber

    Oct 21, 2014
    Somersby, New South Wales, Australia
    Beautiful lamp, excellent restoration and presentation Conny. :clap: :clap: :clap:
  6. Lampenkueche

    Jan 6, 2011
    Thanks for the beautiful and helping Pics Conny.

    Cheers Peter
  7. Conny C

    Conny C Sweden Subscriber

    Nov 29, 2010
    ... and Peter - with great lamps you also got great pics. I recon you´ve got yourself a bunch of these lovely lamps on your shelves ;)

  8. Michel

    Michel Subscriber

    Jan 26, 2011
    56 France
    Hi all
    Yes I have done a research on this family Liotard, but you can imagine the story is very complicated since 1857,
    To be simple you have ;

    According to my genealogy research
    Joseph Cyprien Liotard
    - married to Marie Therese Elisabeth Imbert en octobre 1820
    was born Jean Joseph Liotard in 1821.
    - later with Julie Bayet, not married
    were born
    - Antoinette Elizabeth Joséphine in mai 1830.
    - twins ; Louis Clément et an anonymous male child stillborn (1834) in Marseille,

    On the death of their parents, Louis Clement and Jean Joseph (So they are half brothers) goes up in Paris and find a job, respectively, as copper mounter and gas employee, They complement their knowledge of their profession and decided ...

    ……;In 1857, the creation of the company "Liotard Brothers" by Louis Clement Liotard (born in 1934) and Jean Joseph (born 1921).
    The company is located at 22, rue de Lorraine in the “Petite Villette”, a working class district of eastern Paris.
    The purpose is "the design and manufacture of heating and lighting with gas lighting"

    At that time, the production of gas lighting makes a huge jump both for the public and domestic lighting.
    In 1870, Jean Joseph left for the USA, leaving the reins of the company to his brother. There is very few traces of the original productions, it was not until 1872 the first publications in trade magazines to get an idea of the work of Louis Clément.

    He claimed a patent in December 3, 1872 (FR97-375) for the operation of a rod acting on the control valve of the gas lamps,
    then a second in February 10, 1873 (FR 98-137) relating to the design of a gas burner.
    and certificates of addition 9 April and 20 May 1873.
    and also a specification in which he describes a method for manufacturing gas
    During all these years the firm Liotard is distinguished and actively participates in various "Universal Expositions" organized in Paris,
    It produces stoves, hot baths, ovens, gas heaters, lighting (lanterns, lamps, suspensions) etc ...
    March 12, 1879, the company claimed a fifth certificate of addition to the original patent under number B 129 to 520 on a gas oven.

    Clément Louis married in April 1860 with Mary Célénie Paty. were Born:
    - Claude Ernest 1861/1863
    - Juliette 1864-1869
    - Louis Edouard 1865 / ???????
    - Juliette selenium 1868/1884
    - Charles Clément 1870 / ?????
    - Ernest Joseph, March 1872
    -Alice Louise June 1874/1890.

    In 1884, on the death of Jean Joseph, we find the" Etablissements Liotard", L."jeune !! ?? We can deduce that this is Louis Edouard thus 13 years younger than his older brother, who has just died and he gets the company name.

    - In April 1887 Louis Edouard marries Eugénie Jeanne Debaecker. Jeanne has a young brother, Charles Debaecker that will take the company's reins later.

    - On the death of Louis Clément in May 1887, his widow, Célénie Paty, manages the Company "Liotard Frères" with Louis Edouard, born August 15, 1865.
    Charles Clément, aged 17 years stopped his studies and began a training of technician in different cycles companies in "vogue" at the time.

    - By 1895, the catalog of the liotard house is shared between gas appliances and electricity which was pointing his nose,
    But the world also just discovered the acetylene gas. Calcium carbide, brought into contact with water produces a gas that gives rise to a very white flame and very enlightening. This technique will allow light to be carried everywhere which is a revolution.

    - In 1896, Charles Edward joined the company.
    Now, Louis Edward will be responsible for financial and accounting party, and Charles will take care of the technical part and hardware design,
    Charles will diversify the production. The cycle caused a sensation (and quickly mopeds) The invention of the tire for the bike benefits to the car that is booming in France and Germany.
    -The Company is always interested in heating, cooking and lighting gas, gasoline and electricity, but also to the acetylene that she buys wholesale and sells retail.
    this is the success of the bicycle and automobile that make think to Charles to creat a production of parts for automobiles and motorcycles (tanks, oil pumps, lights, radiators, etc ..)

    - By 1900, Mary Célénie is tired and left the management to the two brothers, until his death in October 1904. At this date, the name of the factory becomes "Société Liotard Frères" and the brand "LF" with 4 sectors of activity; gas, electricity, acetylene and automobile.

    1903 is the year of the output of a famous acetylene lamp, Phoebe. It will be a great commercial success. But also ...
    May 10, 1904 claimed a patent (No. 343044) for a cooler or condenser by air circulation (radiator) on behalf of Veuve Liotard, followed by two others relating to a pump oiler automotive oil (December 1904 No. 346 676)
    In June 1906, a patent (367,259) on an automatic deflation warning detonation tire.
    In June 1906, a patent relating to the safety of acetylene lamps (No. 372160), in fact a valve.
    On August 7, 1906, a patent was claimed for the manufacture of radiator and a month later another on a quick closure system for gasoline canister (No. 369800)
    On November 6, 1907 a patent for the manufacture of a sheet gas cooker rather than cast iron (No. 384741)
    April 20, 1907, a patent for a level indicating device for automotive fuel tanks (No. 377019)
    December 13, 1907, a patent for an injector for incandescent burners with a needle cleaning system and the birth of the beak Trump with a Auer mantle.
    August 25, 1908, a patent for a incandescence burner (No. 391261)
    July 21, 1910, a patent relating to the vaporizers warming for incandescent burners (No. 415761)

    Around 1912, Edward and Louis buy the company "Georges Lefebvre et Compagnie" at the 143, Avenue Parmentier. They were producing greasers as well as incandescent lamps with gasoline. It is perhaps only in the part of the light department because there are patents claimed by Georges Lefebvre for a lighter, an oven, and automobile wheels in 1918, 1920)
    Louis is responsible of the financial management of the two companies, while Charles is devoted primarily to 22, rue de Lorraine and its branches (Brussels, 3 rue de Cologne in 1913)
    In 1913, we find the deposit of a patent for improvements for instant ignition of incandescent burners fueled with petrol. We are witnessing the creation of so-called fairground lights, lanterns communal used to be suspended for street lighting etc,,,
    In December 1913, it is the birth of the "bec Magic" with patent No. 462,919 and No. 474,663.

    But in late 1913 (we do not know why) the 2 brothers decided to focus on separate cases. Charles at 22, rue de Lorraine and Louis at 143 Avenue Parmentier.
    The company L. liotard Ainé was born (It is the oldest of two brothers, "ainé" in French) ... 6 months before the Great War.
    We must remember that G Lefebvre had bought in 1910 patents, manufacturing processes and models of E Brodier, Duplessi fils,
    The production is very semblabe to that of his brother (aviation, lighting and heating, acetylene, tin and copper, brass, etc,,,)
    March 1, 1918 opening of a branch at 154 Avenue Parmentier.

    From that date;
    - At 22 rue de Lorraine, from 1914 to 1919, the company is in the hands of Charles Liotard "jeune" (jeune = young in french)
    So this is Charles Clément (son of Louis and Clement Célénie Paty) born in 1970, it is the youngest of the brothers.
    1914: This is the mobilization of many managers and workers of the firm, Charles and Louis Edouard escape it because of their age and because production is shifted to the "useful" productions in the war, including automotive.
    Charles must hire a collaborator in the person of Charles Debaecker, his younger brother in law, but he will be mobilized,
    The focus is on the manufacture of automotive radiators. Added to this is cooking stoves, ovens, rotisseries, baths, percolators, coffee makers, plumbing appliances, sheet metal and copper foundry, etc.

    On August 13, 1914 a patent No. 472,703 relating to professional development for automotive radiators.
    A first patent was registered in his name in February 1915 relating to a launche for ignition of incandescent burners (No. 477496)
    In February 1917, a patent No. 521779A relating to a gas oven door system,
    In June 1918 a patent No. 496 564 relates to a manufacturing process of corrugated metal tubes,
    Charles Debaecker was demobilized and comes back to activity after a long convalescence because it was gassed

    - At 143, Avenue Parmentier, Louis Edouard became independent. The head office is located 61, rue Secretan in Paris, We do not know what was the cause of this separation, but we guess that a difficulty even had to expand because in a 1920 Lilor catalog, we find a phrase which warns customers "against homonyms."
    The company still exists in 1938. I have not found any traces afterwards.

    - In March 1919, Charles Edward goes out of business in favor of his brother in law Charles Debaecker. Charles Edward was appointed director and will remain a shareholder.
    The "SAAE Liotard frères - Société Anonyme des Anciens Établissements Liotard frères" is created. The family retains part of the company name but the company will now be managed by a Board of Directors,
    - September 30, 1919, the Lilor brand is deposited . this is a contraction of LIotard and LORraine.
    The company produces radiators cars for Citroen, Unic, etc ... and in 1922 added a department dedicated to the TSF.
    There are a multitude of patents.

    - In August 1922, Charles Debaecker hired his nephew, Jean Inglessi who enters in the commercial service, it will remain there until his accidental death in 1960.
    This is also the year of the output of the well known parabolic radiator (Patent No. 560562) and the rosettes macaroon LILOR
    The years 1923 and after are the golden age of heating appliances and lighting by oil.

    However, the company has 7 different manufacturing departments ; cars parts, calcium carbide, Morel candles, devices with acetylene, gasoline and oil, electricity and wireless,
    - October 16, 1926; a patent relating on a autoclave pot, but during this period it will be claimed an average of 3 patents per year.

    -In September 1928, death of Charles Debaecker as a result to its gassing. Jean Inglessi was already comercial director and administrator. He became the company's head.
    That same year, the SAAE contracts with the Manufacture de St Etienne for an order of 15,000 stoves 2 burners and 20,000 others.
    A patent has been claimed on the instant start of these burners, without the need for preheating, topette and alcohol, a revolution.

    In the USA, since 1922, grew a bottling natural gas technique, a by-product from oil refining.
    Although stoves and other instant start gasoline appliances had great success over the 20's, the firm must think about the future : it will be the liquefied gas appliances in a bottle. This evolution is inevitable. Around 1932, Jean Inglessi begins research in this direction.

    - In august 1933, he deposits the Primagaz brand that will be responsible for marketing Butane and in 1934 it is the marketing of the first gas bottle.
    Liotard firm will be responsible for manufacturing bottles of 13 kilos and distributed by a network created from nothing.
    We are witnessing the adaptation of the full range of Lilor devices in order they can run with butane gas.

    - January 14, 1938, the prefecture of "Indre et Loire" agrees to the implementation of a large storage and bottling center at Saint-Pierre-des-Corps (37700)
    In June 1938, therefore there was the creation of two companies:
    La Société Métallurgique Liotard Freres" et "La Compagnie des Gaz de Pétrole Primagaz ".

    The two companies still exist today .... but that's another story.

    I said this was a simple story ;-)

    So this Conny's lamp is not exactly a Liotard, You have understood that the liotard family have lost the entire leadership in the company after 1919/20. It is impossible to say who were the owners, the shareholders.
    Conny have forgotten a Liotard burner, the "Le parfait", I haven't found the patent but it was produced circa 1905/1910 and until 1921/22 for spares only. In 1920, Magic and Atout burners are still in production but this is the very end.
    The LOR burner appears in 1923/24 (I have not the 1922 catalogue)

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