Canadian Coleman 321 Easi-Lite 1973

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  1. presscall

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    Dismantled for inspection of parts, cleaning and servicing - just a thin smear of silicon grease on the valve’s spindle O-ring seal, which was flexible and unworn.

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    French and English text jostle for space on the collar and fuel tank.

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    From the USA patent, the lantern, valve and fuel/air mixing tube drawings.

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    The valve and related components dismantled.

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    On models after this ‘73 model a separate schrader valve was incorporated in the fuel/air pickup. On this example, the schrader-type fuel/air shut-off is incorporated in the fuel/air control rod.

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    Visible inside the lower part of the control valve is the valve seat for the schrader component.

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    True to its word, it’s an easy light. Smooth control, detents for ‘off’, ‘light’ and ‘run’. A marked position but no detent for ‘tip clean’ to enable to-and-fro motion of the control knob to prick the jet effectively without constant clicking of a detent. Well thought out.

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    Its box, in not too bad shape given it’s been around for forty-eight years.

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    Paperwork.

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    Instruction leaflet contents.

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    John
     
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    A lucky find!:thumbup:
     
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    Curious thing, the enamel of the hood doesn’t darken in colour with the heat of combustion as green/red/yellow/orange ones I have do.

    This after half-an-hour or so.

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    Not really Jeff. Seller had had a few goes at selling it on ebay but a potentially tank-penetrating crop of rust had put people off.

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    I offered a sum quite a bit lower than the asking price and took a gamble. The rust was superficial and the worst casualty was the part of the label that rust rust had lifted and torn.

    Rust treated and a reasonable paint match (Humbrol metallic blue with a bit of black added) applied, the damaged label went back on poorly, adding gobbledegook to the English and French text remaining intact.

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    Incidentally, the mantle is for a Bullfinch propane lamp. As a recent discussion confirmed, the correct Coleman #99 isn’t readily available anymore, ditto the Peerless 24A alternative, in the UK.

    John
     
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    I wonder who came up with the idea that a Peerless 24A is comparable to a Coleman 99.

    24A on the left, Coleman 99 on the right.

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    A 24A is far too big for this size lantern.
     
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    @Henry Plews So it would appear Henry. HERE was the discussion. On re-reading that post someone suggested the Peerless 24A is an equivalent, another the 22A, consensus for the 24A. Whatever, the Bullfinch mantle is working fine and I have some #99 mantles on order.

    The patent has this to say about shutting off the 321:
    It just as well describes the behaviour of a non-‘Easi-Lite’ Coleman on closing the control wheel, tip cleaner disengaged, so nothing to brag about there, but it prompted me to film the lantern being shut off.

     
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    Fresh out of the packet, a 24A is aprox 95mm long which means that before being burnt-off, it will be trailing on the bottom of the frame on a 335 and fouling on the spirit cup of a 339. Not an ideal situation when fitting a new mantle.

    I've also had good results with Bulfinch mantles on a variety of lanterns.
     
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    That’s a good looking lamp!
     
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    I never had much luck with one of mine after messing around with that Schrader valve. Can't remember exactly but it either wouldn't shut off or wouldn't get up to full brightness? Or maybe it was both?? John, you Sir are a true MASTER FETTLER! :)

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    @MrAlexxx Hi Alex. If the schrader valve seal’s shot the lantern won’t shut off. The brightness issue could be generator trouble or a failure of the pricker arrangement, maybe because the pricker wire has broken off. Or, a partial blockage in the fuel/air concentric tubes.

    I don’t know about me being a Master Fettler (!) but William Klock on CCF has done some amazing work on the Easi-Lite breed, delving into the ‘innards’ and picturing and describing them in great detail.

    Here’s William’s depiction of the arrangement in mine, with the schrader valve built onto the fuel/air control rod.

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    This is his coverage of the later (post-1973) type with a separate schrader valve - fiddly to remove apparently and requiring some work to find and adapt a suitable replacement.

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    I wish I'd had that information when out of necessity, I had to replace the Schrader valve in my 621A. In my case, I didn't need to use gentle heat to remove the old one but when it came to reassembly, it took me a while to realise there was a `sweet spot' when tightening the fuel/air tube. I got there in the end though.
     
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    Good for you Henry. Fettler’s intuition and a canny brain saved the day. Interesting what you say about the schrader valve coming out without any bother. Some will and some won’t on specific examples evidently.

    Incidentally, how easy was it to find a replacement schrader valve? @Henry Plews

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    I don't know if it's just the blue colour scheme but I find this an extremely lovely lantern! What a find, I'm so envious!
     
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    @presscall

    I didn't have much joy when I looked for suppliers of fuel proof valve cores. The cores all originated in China and came in bags of not less than 100, so I went to Mike at oldcolemanparts.com
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    I did see that one - and like you say was put off by price v potential tank corrosion. I am pleased it found a good home !
     
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    I reckon I need some of these, having half a dozen 275 'turds' accumulated in a desire to find one that actually worked - something akin to the Superbs I garnered in the same quest. However, I'm a bit reluctant to import them from the USA and possibly incur VAT and the £8.50 handling charged levied at Mount Unpleasant sorting office.

    From memory, I think I did eventually manage to get a turd to shine for a short while although it needed a hell of a lot of polishing in the process...
     
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    I wait to see one rolled in glitter. [-X
     
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    Quote of the Month and a delight to host it in my lantern post thread.
     
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    OK, next time Lidl have aerosol cans of sparkle paint in, I'll buy one and spray a 275 to suit. How's that? Perhaps hundreds and thousands will do in the interim, maybe... ;) :lol:
     
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    A lucky find, a spare generator for the 321.

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    Made in the USA, imported by Coleman Canada - complete with bi-lingual text on the packaging.

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    Lantern instructions specification for the generator.

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    Here's my Coleman Blue Deluxe Easi-Lite Model 321. This lantern run great.
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    @Norman Yes, it does indeed look well. Tell me about the globe Norman. A ‘special’ I guess?

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    That's in beautiful condition. Finding the original box and instruction pamphlet is a bonus.

    Many of the Easi-Lites I've found have a blackened valve wheel. The o-ring on the valve wheel stem can fail causing a fireball which scorches the wheel.
     
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    @newfie I’d heard that was the case, yes. Thanks for posting.
     
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    John I was checking out a seller, Thous Winds, on AliExpress and found this glass but he has quite a few different items to choose from.

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    This glass tones down how bright this lantern is.

    Mine came to me in very good shape with original glass and not scratched up.
    I did dismantle the lantern and found the O-Ring on the control valve was in very bad shape so it was replaced.
    This lantern runs very well indeed but I don't like the O-Ring because as stated above it can start leaking which can and will cause a problem.
    The common person out there wouldn't know to change the O-Ring but I figure if I change it out often there shouldn't be any problems.

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    @Norman Thanks for replying Norman. Ah, I see, patterned glass. Clever. I might take a shot of whisky in something like that, but I hadn’t expected to see one in a lantern!

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    Dead right.

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    @presscall

    I've bought several different types and all have fit nicely but the one you show above is a glass I'd like to try out.

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