Hello I bought one of these, in great condition without instructions. how would I open the lantern, to put a new mantle in? There is also a little hole on the edge, I assume this is for lighter flints to pop in. I will appreciate the little guidance. Really great bit of hardware. I will use indoors too, with a carbon monoxide detector.
In turn, at the point I’ve circled in red, push each of the three struts I’ve arrowed in green towards the glass to disengage them from the top, and lift the top off, then remove the glass for access. Reverse the process to reassemble. Yours has a flint spark lighter, which pivots upwards on twisting the knurled knob, reaching a point wher the sparker wheel rotates, showering sparks in the direction of the mantle. Gas turned on immediately prior to doing that, the mantle should light. Not all Belvederes have that accessory and the hole in the metal rim of the top is to poke a lit taper through to ignite the lamp. I don’t bother with that and just remove/replace the top to light it.
Great tuition, thank you. This forum I find very engaging for such a specialised application nowadays. I really like that I don’t have to light it with a taper all the time! one can still buy Welsh miner lamps online.
I opened it up, the last new mantle was white, however on proper inspection, it crumbled away, and I will install a new one supplied. Now I need to work out how to install the zippo flint into or onto the striker arm. Great bit a kit, and I think more superior to the modern, smaller piezo ignition lantern.
I can’t figure out if the flint will go behind, or in front of the spring, which I found inside the striking head. Is a rod supposed to rotate, and this grinds against the flint and produces the spark, or does the flint fit inside the spring coil? Will
Hi Will I presume in front of the spring so the spring will push it towards the wheel.. that’s what I’ve seen on old petrol lighters? give it a gentle spin and see? interesting gear arrangement?
These videos should clarify, and yes, the flint goes between rotating serrated wheel and the spring, which pushes the flint against it. Incidentally, the extent to which the retaining cap is screwed on enables optimum spring pressure on the flint. Too little, it won’t spark. Too much, it locks up the wheel.
I am a bit beyond the tinkering phase now, with a collapsed ceiling, and going to Wales on holiday tomorrow. I want to get it to the sparking stage, then the rest for me will be child’s play ☺️. I am unsure where the flint goes, in relation to the spring. These 3 piece look quite delicate. There is also a rotating tension rod.
You must have posted as I did. Very helpful, from your description, the flint then goes in sideways, wedged between the serrated arm and the spring. I initially placed it inside the cap.
I am hoping it’s this arrangement, however it could be I have not tightened it enough. Too much and the spring might be damaged. I also wonder which way the wheel is turned, and with some force it seems. time for school
Hmm, I am wondering if the wheel that makes the sparks is missing? I think there should be a little wheel threaded on here? Then the flint can push against it to make a spark? Not the end of the world as it can still be lit as @presscall has said? Maybe using long matches? regards pb
If it is @podbros I will get on the cooks matches, however then source the spare part after I’m back from Gwynedd. You seem to know a lot.
Hi Will I’m afraid I don’t know much at all, but I am only looking at the pictures you showed? If you compare @presscall ‘s video you can just make out that there is something threaded on that seems to be absent from yours.. shame but you have the whole lamp and the glass.. doesn’t look like it’s been used Have you used gas lamps already? thanks
Yes I have used gas lamps, but only modern piezo ignition ones, cheers yeah you are right, there should be a wheel, under the flint. I hope and pray for the spare part now.
Hurrah :-) sorry to hear about the ceiling :/ hope you have good weather when you are in Wales ( my sister and my bruvver live there) and don’t forget a pic of your lighted lantern if you get a mo ;-) I was looking at the Clwydians (from england) this afternoon (off topic)
I think the mantle should sit lower on the burner head, don’t you think? Or not, I’m only experienced with piezo modern stuff. It has come to a stop, and will not be forced down any lower, which I won’t.
@presscall will know.. or @ColinG or lots of others isn’t there a little groove for the bottom part to grab hold of? sorry I just looked at the earlier pics, it’s not a groove but a swage , a sort of ring
Yes I pulled it right down to this notch below. Mantle does seem a bit high on the burner, but I have no 1980s gas lantern to compare. the thing is, without auto ignition with flints, it’s more expensive and limited. the seller was very helpful, however now I’ve the added aggravation of sourcing this wheel. then my mind thinks “are the threads knackered that the wheel goes onto?”
The seller is a scumbag, and ibex camping don’t have a part for it. I did not want her view or opinion of not using it either. Some people don’t know when to shut up. I might bring it to a UK meet up, or cannibalise the part from another lantern. It looks like it needs another striking arm, however I don’t know another Belvedere owner. I could buy a Lumogaz R, then pull the part out from this perhaps. He wrote “lots of help on YouTube” however from this I you would not think it would be missing a fundamental part to work. I found this a friendly place. £46 quid down the drain?
I am afraid that it goes with the territory. Without touching/feeling and knowing what you are looking at you always take a spin of the wheel.. On the upside you have learned much ! Anyway it will still work just fine without the sparker - just use a long match or one of those long lighters. As an aside - you might be able to make a striker wheel from a canibalised flint-type disposable lighter ? Maybe a dumb Q - but has you had a good look in the box ? If if fell off in transit you might be lucky.
I am going to return it, and he accepted this. I have got a Lumogaz R now on the way, cheaper than this, and new.
Sorry to learn that it is missing the sparking wheel. Until you're able to find a suitable donor, perhaps you could also find some means to fit this alternative into the lantern:
Thank you. What part of Malaysia are you from? Because I have been to Bentong, to town, KL and also up into the Cameron Highlands and Perak
Hello William, I'm from a little North in Taiping, Perak. Currently, I'm staying not too far South of KL in the state of Negeri Sembilan. Were you in Malaysia for vacation?
