Coleman 220E, Dec 1962

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  1. ColinG

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    Just got home to find this waiting for me. The glass hadn't survived the journey which isn't that surprising as it was loose in the frame... which has seen better days but it'll clean up ok plus I have a replacement collar and frame on its way. The enamel hood is in relatively good condition but I couldn't resist giving it a quick wash!

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    I've already got a 220K and a 220f so I wasn't really looking for yet another 220 anything but that enamel hood with the wide brim... how could I resist!?

    In case you were wondering, it was left outside hanging in a tree for a year.
     
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    It's in need of some TLC..
     
  3. ColinG

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    Yup. I might have to respray the fount but I'll need to locate a better match for the green, and I wondered if I could save the frame and collar but they'll have to be replaced. The burner assembly will be fine once it's carefully cleaned but I'll have to make sure it isn't blocked with regular petrol additives.
     
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    @ColinG
    A good fettling project.
    Coincidentally, I’m fettling a 220C as well. My frame and collar was rusted to buggery as well, in addition the whole thing was poorly spray painted with a very hard slightly flakey green paint.
    We both have a challenging but I’m sure rewarding time ahead.
    Cheers
    Pete
     
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    Hi Colin,

    It will look good when you get it cleaned up.

    As for the green well if you can find a close match it will look great.

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    The fact that its got a sound fount, a good fuel system/burner assembly and a good hood makes it worthwhile fixing. I'm actually looking forward to getting it working again and I'll post photos of the work as I progress.
     
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    Will be interesting to see the progress.
     
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    Something wrong here. It can't be a 220C from 1962. 220C production ended in 1947. Then D '47 to '51 and 220/228E 1951 to 1963. So a green painted steel tank dated '62 and a spring clip to fix the pump cap and you have a 220E. ::Neil::
     
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    Thanks for the correction Neil. I was basing my ID on the hood alone really. Once I start fettling it, I'll post some more detailed updates.
     
  10. ColinG

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    I cleaned some of the rust away from the collar and found the markings - it's a 220E. @Mackburner would it be possible to change the name so it's correct?
     
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    Yes but not by me. Just click on "report" and explain. I have just done that for you this time. Anyone can do this and it flags up the post to the mods who can change things if required. ::Neil::
     
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    How did you get rid of all that rust Colin? I have a Coleman with the same problem.
     
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    I haven't yet but I'll probably use a replacement frame and collar that @Norman is getting for me from the good ol' US of A.

    I'm actually going to see if I can treat the rusty frame and collar anyway as an experiment. I know a car body shop in town that have a sand blasting box and I might ask if I can 'borrow' it for a bit. Plus, I'm planning to make my own sand blasting set-up and I'm already collecting the parts I'll need to make it happen.

    As they say, watch this space!
     
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    This took a long time but I eventually got the Coleman 220 working although I had to replace the frame and fount and convert it to kero by replacing the generator and fuel pickup tube.

    It's now been running for an hour and it's so damned bright! I used my last two Coleman 21a gold top mantles but it was well worth it!

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    @ColinG Lovely job, nice to see. Have a 220E in lock down fettle that I am hoping to complete soon. It may be like "triggers new broom" by the time it is complete. Out of interest, what did you have to do to convert it to Kero?
     
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    The jet on the standard 220 genny was swapped for a 201 jet and the fuel pickup changed to a straight through version. It needs a pre-heater cup too of course.

    Took me about 45 minutes to do in all.
     
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    Hi Colin,

    Your 220 kero conversion is running and looking great.
    As @AussiePete would say she's a real dark killer.

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    *Correction* The jet is from a Coleman 200.​
     
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    Yes sir, it's a dark killer for sure @ColinG and @Norman
    Great job and I like your Bread Box in the kitchen Colin ...... :lol:
     
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    Another update on my 220 kero conversion.

    Because if the geometry of the 220 and the need for pre-heating, the cup sat very high on top of the jamb nut so I made a wider version with a large central tube that fits over the nut. It's also easier to fill with meths/denatured alcohol and easier to light.

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    **** Houston, we have a problem... ****

    The solder also melted, making it useless. I'll wait for it to solidify and go back to plan A. Goddayum!

    Back to the drawing board ](*,)
     
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    Where was the solder that melted?
    :-s
     
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    The cup was made from a 1 3/4 inch brass ring and a short length of 5/8 inch brass tube soldered to a brass plate. All seemed ok for a while and then the solder melted.

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    You might be able to see where the plate has slid sideways.

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    It was a bl00dy awful soldering job anyhow but it would have done the job.
     
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    @ColinG
    Looks like there is quite a bit of heat involved in this area. Perhaps silver soldering the pieces together could be the answer.
    Cheers
    Pete
     
  24. ColinG

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    Definitely, but I've never silver soldered before. I'll have to look into it. If I can get it to work it's a cool solution.
     
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    Colin, I'm a bit late to the party here but I would definitely give electrolysis a go for that rusty frame and collar. A 5 gallon plastic bucket would be perfect for the tank a couple pieces of scrap iron and a simple power supply. I use old laptop power bricks. I think you'd be surprised at how well they will clean up with that process.
     
  26. ColinG

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    Electrolysis is definitely something I intend to get into, both for rust removal and plating.
     
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    Electrolysis would be great for rust removal of the frame. The original frame's pretty rusty.
    In case you haven't got the setup yet, immersion in a fairly concentrated citric acid solution for a couple of days would definitely remove all that rust down to the smallest pits without damaging the steel.
    Sandblasting's fast but could be a little brutal. Its too easy to remove too much if you're not careful.
    You'll need to braze(silver solder) the spirit cup, Colin. Normal solder's not going to make it in that heat.
    That kero conversion was excellent.
     
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    @ColinG

    If you can solder, then you can silver-solder, and if you have a blow torch then all you need is the flux and one or two rods of the silver-solder as that will be plenty for a practice and what you have to do...

    It's not cheap but well worth it and you will have another skill under your belt...:thumbup:
     
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    Yeah, I'll have to get some silver solder and flux and give it a go.
     

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