Coleman QL 327

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  1. Sellig33

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    Arrived yesterday at home ( pictures from Ebay ):
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    Missing: pump, ventilator rod and ventilator ball nut.
    Mica chimney to be replaced.
    More pictures later.

    Gilles
     
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    A fine fettling project!:thumbup:
     
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    Congratulations :thumbup:
     
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    Today, sad weather, sunny & rainy all time. So i work on the lamp, and....

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    Test sealing, fill with "essence C ( Coleman fuel ) ", pre-heating, and ......

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    Next, i put 150 CP mantles, when i got a mica chimney ( i mail to Fred Kuntz, no return yet )
    Are there Peerless mantles of 150 cp ? or i can install 200/250 CP mantle for this lamp ?
    Thanks for reply.
    Gilles
     
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    Gilles, It has cleaned up nicely.:clap:
     
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    What a restoration, magnificent job. You will love the Fred Kuntz mica chimney, it is just the right finishing touch to a restored 327.
     
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    Thanks all !
    A question, mantles 150CP or Peerless 2C-HG?
     
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    wow, superb restoration.
    well done.
    regards
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    Well done, Gilles! I would go with the Peerless 2C-HG. You could also fit an R-55 generator if you prefer to have an internal pricker.
     
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    Thanks Willi & Phil.
    Whath do you think of Coleman mantles #20 or #21 ? It would work on QL 327 ?
    Who has recently been in contact with Fred Kuntz ? I don't have an answer from him.
     
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    The 20 is a bit smaller than the 21 and the recent Coleman mantles have not been the best quality.
     
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    Thanks for the return Phil, so I will stay on 2C-HG
     
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    You can't go wrong there. The 2C-HG form slightly bigger than the 21A but I do not see that as a disadvantage. There are also some very good vintage mantles around if you can find them: The very old Coleman, Coleman silk-lite and the Veritas Elephant Brand come to mind. I have been left unimpressed by Luxor, Butterfly and in general by most Chinese rosette-style mantles.
     
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    I put Coleman 2C-HG, they are a little big. I have some Petromax 150CP mantles, i'll try later. QL 27 is a 150 CP.

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    The Peerless 2C Hg are the right mantles for the lantern or the Coleman# 21 mantle they are equivalent, anything smaller won't work. I am guessing a 327 is 300cp. One thing is your mica is dirty and the lantern will look completely different when you have a new one. I use a modern bicycle pump to add air to the lantern and with a high pressure it works like a machine.
     
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    Thanks Hanzo. Do you know if Fred Kuntz made always mica chimney ? I mail him, but no answer. A friend of mine, mail last month, and no answer too. Fred is still alive ?
     
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    Yes , Kuntz still makes chimneys and many other lantern globes and accessories, he has a catalog . I believe he'll ship abroad as well. The current price of the mica you'll need is $35.His email is here, fredkuntz@adelphia.net
     
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    Hi Hanzo,
    I have the prices 2015 in pdf, do you have earlier in pdf format ?
    I try to mail again.
     
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    What an amazing transformation you'vemade and what a great lamp you now have! Well done!
     
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    Thanks Colin,
    I am very happy with myself :D/

    Another question for all: what’s the candle power on QL 327 ?
    Michel thinks it's 2 x 150, me 2 x 300, who is right ?
     
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    They were rated at 300cp. So 2 x 150. ::Neil::
     
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    Hi Neil,
    Yet 2 bulbs of 60W are not 120W ! It's not the same for mantles ?
     
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    :lol:;) Gilles, I say this in jest, but, if 2x60 is not = 120 then you have just single-handedly and in one fell swoop demolished the edifice of 5000 years of mathematics and engineering ](*,):shock::lol:
    Perhaps you are referring to the illumination provided and not the electrical power consumed?:-k
    Even so, a 2-mantle true 300cp lantern should provide very close to twice the illumination of a single mantle true 150cp lantern.
    The problem is, many manufacturers were referring to very small candles when they dreamed up the cp ratings of their lamps.
    Notable exceptions were the Germans and Swedes:content:
     
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    You're right Phil, i'm referring to the illumination, not consumtion.
    If QL 327 is a 300 CP lantern ( 2 x 150 ), why did we used 250/300 CP mantles ?
     
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    Hmmm... I see the packaging says 250cp 4-pack but I would take that with the same grain of salt as the lamp company's claim.

    I have noticed that to some extent mantles shrink/form to a different size on different rated lamps, depending on the air/gas pressure, I suppose.
     
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    I will not contradict Neil , he is truly an expert on lanterns and I am very close to ignorant , lol. Here in America though 150cp mantles are not readily available so I use what everyone here uses in all 300 cp double mantle lanterns, Coleman #21 but mostly the Peerless equivalent, 2CHG because they are brighter and whiter. They work fine in my 327's .
     
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    Ok I understand better, thanks all.:thumbup:
     
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    I had my wife at phone, and the mica globe is at home :D/
    Pictures soon !!!
     
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    Unpacking the package last night when I got home from work, I remove all the papers and there :doh: ](*,) two mica panels took a shoot and are delaminated
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    Direct contact on Ebay with the seller and photo above to support. Here's his answer " Lovely. I'll open a claim with Canada Post and reorder/resend".
    So in theory, I will receive a new globe (intact ??? [-o< ) in 3 or 4 months. Nice and professional seller :clap:.

    And in place it gives this:
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    The Quick Lite lamps and lanterns in the 1920s were advertised as 300cp. There is no doubt that when new they would achieve that. They were also advertised as burning for 18 hours with 3 pints of fuel. 6 hours to the pint is about right for 300cp so I suspect WC was telling the truth. ::Neil::
     

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