My first Coleman table lamp. (158)

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  1. Fireexit1

    Fireexit1 United Kingdom Subscriber

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    Just arrived today dated 1947 - valve and pricker seized and a little bent but largely OK. A voyage begins..

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  2. AussiePete

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    Looks like a good project. She looks in pretty good nick. I love the way the paint is worn where the external pump was held during pressuring.
    I’m looking forward to seeing your first light up.
    Enjoy
    Pete
     
  3. Tony Press

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    These are a a pretty straightforward fettle. Clean it up, check the tank for rust and crud, check the generator works and the pricker clears the jet, and clean the burner.

    In your photo you are missing the screw that holds the globe/shade holder in place and seals the hole in the top of the generator.

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    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Happy fettling.:thumbup:
     
  5. Fireexit1

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    Thanks all. I cant wait to start on it. The tank has some gunk but no rust. @Tony Press - I have a box of 'junk' on it's way to me, and in there are three coleman table lamp burners with different shade/globe holders and that screw. Hopefully they wont be too "junk".
    Can you tell me if the cap seal the same as the one fitted to the 3-part coleman cap (the one with a screw in the middle) ?
    cheers
    Chris
     
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    Chris

    The washer is:

    OD 17.5mm; ID 13.3mm.

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    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Thanks Tony. The three part cap seals (from Fettlebox) are 3/4 OD 9/16 ID (19mmx 14.3mm). Interestingly the cap is interchangeable with a modern on so must be able to accept the 19mm washer. I think I can see a bit of space round yours.
    Anyway for a couple of quid I am going to take a punt as they are viton.
    Next challenge - pump (or adaptor)
    cheers
    Chris
     
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    No space around mine... I measured the fittings, not the washer.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Chris if it helps I've always used the same seal on these lamp caps as I always use on the common 3 piece lantern fuel caps. I don't know the measurements off the top of my head... But a viton 112 o-ring is my go to.
     
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    Interesting. My check valve looks a little different to Tony's and the widest part (the bit that holds the washer up) is a smidgen under 20mm. Unfortunatley I need to fix the needles on my vernier dial gauge so can't be more precise.
    Thanks all
    C
     
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    Hi Chris
    If you email the size to Ross he will let you know if he can make some? cheers
     
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    They are in the post. Fingers xd but spares always handy anyway
    Cheers
    C
     
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    Look after the wooden fitting when you light it. Too many are damaged (burnt) near the top. Yours is in good order.
     
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    Progress ! an O-ring has been pressed into service on the fuel cap. R55 generator seems OK now it is not bent. Burners straghted out and cleaned inside. My last challenge is to re-create a "shade holder rod E92".

    I am going to use an earlier glass shade and have a CQ shade holder (not quite authentic I know but I do not have a globe and holder or a paper shade - yet) The screw that came with it has a smaller thread so I guess the later lanterns had a larger thread. I can imagine due to the ability to hang it from an extended rod ?

    So if anyone can tell me the thread details I would be very grateful.
    cheers
    Chris
     
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    The total length on my example is 5/8", the thread is 3/16" x 32t.p.i. (= BSF) x 3/8". The hole for the hanger rod has the same thread and is just short of 5/16" deep.
     
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    Thanks Henry !
     
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    You're welcome.
     
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    Well still no globe to hand but I could not resist a test fire. So here it is using cheap ebay mantles:

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    If you could manage to build some shade holdee from scrap metal,
    You could suspend a Petromax iced/white globe by some gardening iron wire.
    That should do the trick to protect the mantles a bit and give a white even light.

    I did so on an Aladdin 23. And used the same to protect the mantles and gen at a Coleman CQ Table lamp.
     
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    Good thoughts bp4willi. - I have a older shade and holder, but the shape of the burner top does not allow fitment. I have another burner from a CQ so I may swap the tops over. The burner air tube has restrictions as it is a paraffin version. Alternativley when I can get to my lathe I will make a better screw and spacer to go into the existing burner. I will get there. I hope to find the right holder, globe and shade for it one day.

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    Oh yes forget to share my new coleman pump. 2.95 on Ebay.

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    And here it is:
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    @Fireexit1

    Good work!

    And where did you find that shade?


    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    It came with an Aladdin 23 I bought last year. To be honest I didnt know what I had until it was pointed out to me on this forum. So that led me to get a coleman table lamp, and so on - you know the drill :lol:
     
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    You scored well!

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Whaouh, fine shade :D/
     
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    Really lovely lamp! I own one lamp only which I fell in love with years ago: the Bialaddin T10 table lamp. It’s just something about that lamp…:-k
    Not interested at my age in starting a “lamp” collection.
     
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    @Fireexit1 it seems I have this same model in my latest haul. It does have a shade holder on it though it’s pretty rusted. Also, I’ve seen a shade like that in an Antiques shop which closed down this year. I must try and find out what happened to the contents of the shop. That looks really nice.
     
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    @Jean J

    Go get that shade!


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    Hi @Jean J - here is what I have worked out/discovered so far.
    The model 158 came with a glass globe (355) and a parchment shade. This has the shade (globe) holder on it that you have. Replicas of both are available from OCP. Any parchment shade will do as long it has an "American" or "US washer" fitment (UK terminology) - the sort that goes onto a "harp" and is held in place by a nut on top.
    If you want to use an older glass shade you need the older shade holder (like the one on the other Coleman lamp in your picture).
    These do not fit so well, as the top of the burner is less substantial on 'our' lamp. Another complication is that the hole in the shade holder is wider than the actual threaded stud that holds the original in place. I resorted to using my lathe to make wider - and longer threaded stud.
    Otherwise it has been a sucess story. I will restore it to original shortly but in the meantime enjoying using that shade.
    I have also found that the shades off my Aladdin 23s all fit the older Coleman shade support.

    This particular one is a "324" shade and was sold with the Quick-Lites - putting it mid 20's. I think your other Coleman might be one of those.
    Apologies if you knew all this already,

    Good luck

    C
     

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