Newbie requiring help/advice :)

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  1. Rockabilly Mark United Kingdom

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    Hi everyone. I've always wanted a Tilley and for Christmas I got a Guardsman and a seal kit. I've changed all the seals and test ran it (without a mantle) but seem to have a problem. To get it to run with a nice blue even flame I have to just crack the control cock open. If I open it up any further the flames move away from the burner and it goes out. Its very fiddley to get it right so it will run but I don't think I could do it with a mantle on. Do you think the problem lies with the control cock, vapouriser or both. Many thanks Mark
     
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    Hello and welcome to the asylum forum @Rockabilly Mark.

    Think of the mantle as a containment field, without it, the flame will easily blow itself out. You could try again with reduced pressure but as long as the flame is nice and blue, put a mantle on and enjoy the light.
     
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    Sounds like you have the perfect first lantern.

    To start with you need to buy a 2nd to compare.
    Then fiddle with, and swap around each part to see which/what is not functioning correctly.
    By the end of it you will have a dozen lamps and know how they tick inside out :)
     
  4. Rockabilly Mark United Kingdom

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    Thanks for your advice Henry. I think that's what I'll do and take it from there. Love that Tilley hissssssss, lol
     
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    Welcome aboard!:thumbup:
     
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    It could be a worn vapourizer and over fueling but as Henry says, the mantel offers 'a resistance' so I wouldn't be looking for a replacement until you've tried a mantel.

    Mantel
     
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    Just about the whole point of trying a burner without a mantle is to see the flame colour. A nice blue Bunsen flame means the mixture is good, too much yellow/orange indicates a rich mixture and a poor light. That test burn has to be at a low pressure to avoid the flame blowing out and a Tilley certainly won't sustain a high pressure burn without a mantle. You got a nice blue so fit a mantle and it should work well with the normal operating pressure.::Neil::
     
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    Welcome to the forum Mark. How’s about a picture of your new lantern!
     
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    I had a similar problem with a guardsman, but this happened with the mantle on. It would not run right and only if the control tap was only opened a fraction. I replaced the vap tube with a newer one and all was well, so I am thinking it was in my case a worn out vap tube.
     
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    Thanks for all your replies. It seems I might be worrying over nothing. I will try it with a mantle on later this week. As Scott suggested this is a picture of the lamp's test run. The brown hood has seen better days but it will do for now. Cheers Mark

    20201228_161153.jpg
     
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    That flame is a good example of what an ideal flame should look like.
     
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    The bunsen test looks perfect to me! Add a mantle and you'll have yourself a good runner. Can I assume you know about burning in the mantle once it's been fitted but before you actually run the lantern?
     
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    Not necessary on Tilley (and I assume Vapalux / Bialaddin) lamps.

    From the instructions on the back of a Tilley mantle packet (repeated in the 'To Change Mantle' section of X246B instructions) " . . . Arrange the mantle fabric evenly (as illustrated) and then when the lamp is lit it will burn off and asume the correct shape".
     
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    Dammit! I've been doing it wrong all this time! Oh well, at least I know now. Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    @ColinG I wouldn't call your method wrong, I'm sure you've heard the expression there's more than one way to skin a cat.
    After all, in the 'fit a new mantle' section of instructions provided by most other lantern manufactures, it does say to light the new mantle and let it burn until nothing remains but a white ash. Allow lantern to cool. Preheat generator and light lantern. Or something along those lines.
     
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    Thanks to everyone for you advice. I finally found time to get the mantle fitted tonight and fire it up. The light that comes from it is fantastic. The light, the warmth and that hissssssss. I love it. I fitted the mantle (164x) as per the instructions and its ended up like a bell shape. Is this ok?? Tilley lit.jpg Does anybody have any "mantle shots".
     
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    Your lantern looks bright enough so I reckon it's O.K. I certainly wouldn't destroy a mantle that's giving out that much light just because it's "the wrong shape". Enjoy it as it is.
     
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    Looks good to me and like you, I love that gentle hiss.... I find it very comforting.
     

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