Tilley AL21, type 2?

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  1. Claus C

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    This is my latest find. The types still confuses me a bit but I think its a type 2, though I cant see the controlcock.
    This is the Pictures I received and I already payed for it. It looks rusty, bit like Ians:

    http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/7019

    But not beyond repair.

    This is my first 3-legged Tilley and I cant wait to fettle :D/

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  2. John

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    Hello Claus,

    Congratulations. I'd say type 2 also, and with the front glass; it should turn out to be a real looker.
     
  3. Claus C

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    Ok finally it arrived and it surprised me while it seems to be a type 1.

    The lamp is in better condition than exspected. First I did photographing all details and inspect for fails.
    The chimney was bulgy and after dismantling the lamp I corrected this.
    It is a lot different to my type 3. Type 1 contains more brass-parts in generally. The Tilley-mark on type 1 is with full-letters and is printed in the innerside of the glass - opposite the type 3.
    It is now being cleaned in soapwater and the ironparts is getting a quick bath of electrolysis to remove rustveil.

    Here she is when received:

    1409577414-Tilley_AL21_modtagelsen_001_opt.jpg 1409577433-Tilley_AL21_modtagelsen_005_opt.jpg

    The lamp is crudely painted Black. Everything is or was Black - even stains on the glass, the backside of the parabol and wooden handle :?
    I can see no other paint as former paint on the lamp - was this Tilley-quality :shock:
    The lamps seem to have been very Little in use and I will try to keep it as origin as possible - even the bad paint if that is origin.
    Did the type 1 normally come this way?

    Claus C
     

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  4. Claus C

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    Is it possible to dismantle the pricker-control in any way and how?

    I just noticed in the gallery the type 1 comes with a leftsided and a rightsided pricker-control:

    http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/431

    and

    http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/5672

    Strange when it is fixated.

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  5. Tony Press

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    Claus

    The pricker control position can be adjusted by a combination of the control cock itself and the bush that it screws into (note that that bush itself screws into the housing at the end of the fuel line).

    If you want to restore the lamp to working order, then the best thing to do is to disassemble the whole thing. Start by taking the air buttons from the end of the air tubes, take the air tubes off, unscrew the vaporiser from the control cock, then unscrew the control cock from the adjusting bush.

    When putting it back together, you can adjust the position of the control cock by adjusting the relative positions of the bush and the control cock. Therefore you can make it both left-handed or right-handed.

    PT me if this does not make sense.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    After soapwash I put all the ironparts in electrolysisbath and that convinced me that I could not save the old crude paint. There was rust all over the lamp sitting in small blisters not breaking through the paint yet, but the electrolysis releases oxygen and push that way the paint off around so the lamp looked like it had flee-bites everywhere:

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    The lamp cleaned up very well and after a short time in citric-acid bath it was free from rust. The electrolysis spoiled the old paint so much that I have to re-paint it. I will do that as the Tilleyplant would have done and not how they did it.

    The only damage I found was the pumpshafts end, where the coil had a crack and it was wobbeling when I took of the nut. Later it broke:

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    I will re-use the shaft. The plan is to drill out a hole and solder a coil from a screw back in, while there is not much pressure on this part.

    The housing of the control-cock wont come of and I am scared to damage it, so I leave it on.

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    Now a lot of brass-polishing is over and then I used a trick newly shown here on CPL by another member.
    I bought a ink-pen and repainted the control-knob and it worked fine - even waterproof but I am not sure about kerosene-proof [-o< :

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    very easy.

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  8. David Shouksmith

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    I think it's soldered in, Claus, so not really meant to be disturbed.

    As you've pointed out, electrolysis is an excellent way of removing paint as well as rust. The flea-bites you describe were probably there anyway and not a result of the electrolysis.

    I hadn't noticed there were left-hand and right hand versions of this lamp. I'll need to have a look at mine...

    ... it's on the left looking from the front so it's different to yours.
     
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    [color:black][/color]My apologies, Claus. I stand corrected (by David) on removing the control cock. I was going on the basis of my later AL21 which does not have the control cock soldered in.

    When did this change, I wonder?

    Tony
     
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    Yes and there is more to that David. As you say looking at the front, then the righthanded has a pin holding the glasslid-screw to the front, the left-handed have a split ;) I know its nerdy details but I like such :whistle:
    Your lefthanded is then with a split I bet :?:

    No problem Tony, I used my common sense and anxiety :D

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    After the cleaning it became clear the origin paint couldnt be preserved so of with the lot. I decided to keep the brassparts free from paint. I wouldnt use sandblaster, so I used electrolysis and citric-acid bath and a lot of polishing - s--t a lot of polishing:

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    Sorry Christer, but I wasnt given the opertunity to use thumbnails :?

    The lamp is to be painted Black Again in heatresistent paint. It comes as a spray from Motip, and I was allowed to test it on a moped exaustpipe 3 years ago and it still looks fine. The colour match the Tilley in gloss and colour and comes in silver too which also match Tilleys:

    http://www.billigbilpleje.dk/product/motip-varmebestandig-maling-sort-1231/

    I hope to repair the broken pumpshaft this evening.

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    Great fettling Claus! :thumbup: :thumbup: Jeff.
     
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    Thanks Jeff.
    Succes :D/
    I managed to repair the pumpshafts lower coil by reusing the broken coilpiece, by first drilling a hole in the coil-piece, then I put it on the shaft so the broken part fitted the fracturesurface and I fixed it with the nut screwed on both the pieces.
    Then I drilled a hole in the shaft using the already drilled hole in the off-broken piece, so the drilling in all fitted perfect together.
    Then I stuck in a stick of copper and soldered the lot together. Luckily it all fitted so close that the nut didnt get soldered stuck.
    I am sorry about the poor Pictures quality:

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    and hurrah:

    1409864805-komplet_pumpestang_AL21_001_opt.jpg

    I have no thoughts of doing so, because of the poor load on this piece, and I feel good it still is the original coil and pump sitting there.

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    Great job, Claus. A mighty fine lamp restored.

    After having made my mistake on the soldered control cock, I went through all the photos in the Reference Gallery: the Type 1s have the soldered control cock, and the later versions have the screw-in control cock.

    Congratulations on a fine fettle.

    Tony
     
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    Thanks Tony.
    The later control-cocks is also easier to adapt to costumers wish Tony instead of these fixed types O:)
    If you have the type 1 yourself, then it could be funny to see if it is a righthanded as mine and has a pin in the glasslids screw or if lefthanded - a split.
    I bet all you English people is wallowing your self in these AL21's, types all. ](*,)

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    Ahhh... The English might; and even the British. But somewhat rarer here in Australia (although Tilley lamps of all kinds were the most common pressure lamps in Australia until after the 2nd World War).

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    ](*,) A brainfart Tony, I do recall your newly Austramax's, as they still are on my wish-list. No I guess I must apologize, if that is enough :lol:

    Claus C
     
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    No need to apologise. Cheers.
     
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    That's nothing to be sorry about.
    You're not in the reference section, so fullsize is the only option.
     
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    So finally I got to the paintjob. It is the easy part but here one is able to spoil most.

    I used this paint boght in Danmark for engines, exhaustpipes and so on:

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    It did a good job - not splendid - but it looked in some way the poor origin paint. After the parts where dry:

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    Then I got to the satisfying and cozy work of assembling the lot. I just love that.

    Here she is:

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    I like the result my self.
    I originally started this topic, because I was a Little scared after recieving the first Pictures, as to be seen in the start and I thought this might need work-knovledge beyond me.
    But I have a weak Heart for the AL21 and as the lamp turned up at my Humble residence with no bulges and no missing parts I was really halfway through fettling, so the cat in the sack can surprise in a good way sometimes.
    Enjoy.

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    The satin finish looks good and suits the lamp. :thumbup: How does it hold up to the temperature when the lamp is running?
     
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    Thanks David.
    The lamp is to be painted black in heatresistent paint.
    It comes as a spray from Motip, and I was allowed to test it on a moped exaustpipe 3 years ago and the paint still looks fine.
    I didnt light this Tilley yet, but the paint should hold all the way to almost glowing, 600 C is quite hot and Tilley AL21 wont even come near that so I think we are good here :thumbup:

    Claus C
     
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    Excellent! Good restoration of a fine lamp.

    I love my AL21 and use it around my little property quite often.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    It's new again! :thumbup: :D/ :clap: :D/ :clap: :thumbup:
     
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    Well done !
     
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    Good work Claus :clap:
     
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    Beautiful
     
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    I know it´s an "old" thread, but thank you for all picture, I am having a go at my own AL21
     
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    Wow, well done Claus!
     
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    Minds me I have to do one too.
    To much to do, not enough time.




    (or other important stuff to do)
     

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