Tilley Al21

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  1. Glenn Andrews United Kingdom

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    Hi can anyone advise on this lamp can find it anywhere

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  3. Glenn Andrews United Kingdom

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    Wow thank you. Anyway of dating it. Value ?
     
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    Actually cant see mine there. Mine got no vents at the front and big ones in the centre

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    Welcome to the forum. If you look specifically at this post
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    You'll see the consensus of opinion dates this model to mid 1935. By the look of things, you have a very early version.

    We don't do valuations. Like everything else, it's worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.

    Any chance of some clearer pictures ?

    Henry.


     
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    Hi Glenn and welcome to the forum. That’s an interesting lamp you have there.. Are you not tempted to get it going?
    As Henry mentioned above, some clearer photos would be much appreciated.

    Stevie
     
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    Looking at the latest image you've posted, I think your lamp is not as it was when it left the factory. Looking at that scallop in the rim at the top of the door, I'd say that's where the hinge would have been but it got torn out so someone has turned the door 90 degrees and made a botched repair.

    Henry.
     
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    Many thanks please find more pics

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  9. Glenn Andrews United Kingdom

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    Please find attached

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    Door where the door

    Arhhhh so normally you would remove wing nuts and the lens would swing up ?
     
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    I’m not sure, I thought originally lens ring would have been hinged at the nine o’clock position, this thought is only gained from images of other pre war Tilleys.
    This is a very international site and once the guys from down under have seen the photos, I’m sure there’ll be more information!
     
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    @Anthony
     
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    Yes it's worth what someone is prepared to pay..however pre- lockdown, newer AL21"s were easily fetching £240 - £340 and older versions like yours £275 - £400 on the bay of thieves.(privately less of course).but much depends on condition and originality...and as we are witnessing, financial climate.
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    Almost but no wingnuts. On this model, the hinge would have been at the side at 9 o'clock and the fastener at 3 o'clock. Look again at the link I posted above and study the scanned adverts, you will see the type of fastener used.

    Many thanks for the clearer images. After studying them, I'm fairly sure that your lamp is a very early example of its type. Good find.

    Henry.
     
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    Welcome aboard!:thumbup:
     
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    I'm only replying because I was asked to, Henry does not need my confirmation but I think a perfect diagnosis. :thumbup:

    It's been altered a bit and well used but a very good find.
     
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    And so..if you wanted a valuation those factors will definitely come in to play giving it a lower value, albeit lower bracket of what is considered to be a valuable model.

    Martin
     
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    I understand it’s site policy to not give valuations.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    I didn't .. I merely gave a very rough idea of what I had seen them selling for in the recent past...with wild variations...I don't think that is a valuation lol..don't want to break the rules.

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    This looks to have quite a few differences to any of the early Al11 variations I’ve seen.

    Tank, looks like it’s brass? from where the paint is missing and lack of rust.

    Air release on the back rather than opposite the pump.

    Rear legs and handle are screwed on so the tank must have threaded inserts. Normally these parts are riveted on.

    The front leg is attached to body not the door as an Al11 would be.

    The air vents in the body behind the reflector are bigger and only a single row.

    There will be more but those are the ones I notice from the pictures. It would certainly be interesting to get hands on with it and have a good look. @Mackburner what are your thoughts?

    Would also be interested to know what is stamped into the burner here, possibly GWR? Or just my eyes.:lol:

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    Thanks for the reply its def copper please see more details
     

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    Hmmmm brass maybe but I'd doubt copper.
     
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    Now that’s interesting, I thought the screwed inserts looked good where the wing nuts go and those pics confirm that they are factory especially with the little indents on the door. I can see part of an indent at the top too, so perhaps 3 wing nuts held the door on and there was never a hinge.

    The whole thing is brass too, can see some on the door. What about those plates riveted on where the burner tubes come out through the casing, do they look factory or are they a bit hand finished?

    This is turning out to be a very interesting lamp, I think you should clean it up, get it running and use it as a start to you lamp collecting.:D:thumbup:
     
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    yes I meant brass sorry not copper thank you all very much i best get some cleaning stuff out
     
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    Converted one of grandads lights to electric
     

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    Aahhhh, you better start running if you’re going to post that on here.:lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Glenn, tell me you’re not going to electrocute your AL21!!!
     
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    My apologisies it was that or it was going to get trashed at least its now used .
     
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    It has certainly been heavily worked over and I suspect some bits missing since there are a number of unused holes in the door and reflector. Plenty of features that are factory though and very different to any other of the type. It almost looks prototype and that might explain the odd plates riveted to the air tube holes. They look hand cut to me but then with a prototype or short run trial batch maybe that is not so unusual. The short body has to make it model AL11 and the method of construction suggests early so around 1935 perhaps. This model was only made for a couple of years 1935 to 1937 and in that time there was a size change which has to imply changes although the images from the 1935 and 1937 flyers don't help because they used the same image. They do however give the dimensions which may help here. They both show a hinged door though and a less user friendly door fixing has to pre-date the June 1935 image. Incidentally the smaller size hand lamp referred to is model AL7 and not a smaller AL11. ::Neil::



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