THE GILMAN PRESSURE LANTERN

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  1. Andrew T

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    Hi
    Has anyone seen another one of these lanterns. It’s a mostly steel constructed lantern and is about the same quality as a Butterfly as far as I can see. There are no other inscriptions on it and it has been painted with a copper colour paint over the original chrome.
    Unfortunately the tank has a few pinholes and I don’t think I will try and repair this one......yet.

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    It's a new brand to me.
     
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    Never heard of this one either. Looks like you got yourself a line or two in the PLC here. The markings on the tank look pretty sharp which suggests it is not a cheap copy although steel tanks generally are. Might be worth removing the globe cage to see if there are any markings on the brass castings. More pictures would good as well please. ::Neil::
     
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    Here are some more pictures. The frame plate, top of the hood, and burner cap + holder is missing. Other than the 300 on the pricker I can see no other markings

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    So still no idea of the country of origin?
    I moved it to "Mystery Lamps" until then so it at least is in the reference section.
     
  6. Andrew T

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    It has quite a bit of lead solder on it but at least it’s working.
    Definitely for outside use only.
     
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    FE7AFA6D-355E-4412-A303-08882E2770F0.jpeg The complete lantern.
     
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    Well saved!:thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Good effort, well saved. It looks like a Optimus copy on first sight.
     
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    @Andrew T
    Well saved, another oldie survives ...... excellent!
    Cheers
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    F30C50EE-FF58-4E5D-B332-012ABE830560.jpeg Thank you.
    The night time light up looks much better than the previous daytime light up.
    A 350cp jet has been used.
     
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    Well done and it is working as it should.
     
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    Well saved! It’s doing its job well, you must be chuffed!
     
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    Thanks @Andrew T for a really detailed fettle of a unique lantern!... Amazing to see it working! :)

    I actually really like the colour...You mentioned that it had some Copper coloured paint applied? To me it looks like the 'Copper-wash' that is applied before Nickel or Chrome plating? ..Or that which appears after the top plating wears off?

    I see it occasionally on older Tilley cages and handles, where the paint has worn,so i suppose that all the steel work had a 'Copper-wash' before it was painted, to help with rust prevention, in the same way that gas welding rods or Mig welding wire does?
     
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    Is the copper-coloured electrically conductive? If it is, it might not be paint at all. Perhaps copper plating prior to nickel to improve adherence?
    I have some feelings it might be made in India.
     
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    39484DC9-F0AA-4B3B-8C63-E993C5410486.jpeg @MYN @podbros
    Yes it’s the electro plated copper wash. There are one or two small remnants of chrome plating and the dark varnish/laquer coating over it.
    There was also a Coleman 249 which underwent the same treatment.
     
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    I can't imagine the Gilman or the Coleman losing most if not all of their nickel or chrome plating, even if subjected to long heavy use over the decades.
    I suspect the plating has been deliberately removed or the lamps had been overzealously polished many times.
     
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    At least we know now of a second different variation of “THE GILMAN PRESSURE LANTERN “
    This one belongs to Mario Fourie in Cape Town who gave permission for the pictures to be posted.
    It is a Peacock Trademark lantern. 1FB1E651-D58A-49FD-B411-21FDF46488D1.jpeg C2C22A3C-F2B6-438E-9EAE-BE355D56ED42.jpeg 664656F7-A830-42F6-AB3D-F481F72FE861.jpeg 75F2DF2E-220A-42DA-AD86-F70C1D848568.jpeg
     
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    Another Peacock? I have three listed already. One of the three has this marked on the tank.
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    This was on a lantern found in Thailand and the collectors there assume it is German made but I suspect it may be Indian. Probably not the same though as the bird is facing left on the Gilman and right on the Visoko.

    Confusing when a lamp has one brand, Peacock, on the collar label and another, Gilman, on the tank. Perhaps Gilman made and Peacock is just the name of the lamp. Interesting though and thanks for the info. ::Neil::
     
  20. Anzelle Boshoff South Africa

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    Good morning

    Did anyone get more information on these pressure lamps? We found one on an auction - Similar to the one found by Mnr Mario Fourie in Cape Town, but not exactly the same. (No peacock or other trademark markings).
     
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    Welkom,

    Well without the markings, it looks like and possible will be, "just another" Asian made pressure lantern.
    A picture would be fine and better but (always a but) don't violate the auction forum rules.

    So tell us members: who are we in "we found one....".
    Auctioneers, traders, collectors, businessmen?
     

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