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  1. Steve Broughton United Kingdom

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    I know it's not a pressure lamp but can anyone ID it?

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    An Aladdin Model 23 paraffin mantle lamp.
     
  3. Steve Broughton United Kingdom

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    Found this in the father in law's garage too, would you know where I can get bits for it James?
     
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    As it says on the wick winder, it is an Aladdin mantle lamp of the model Super Aladdin. This was an English produced lamp from the 30s and 40s. There are quite a few collectors of them as well, and I know some on this site have a few (myself included).
     
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    Thanks Nils, any links to parts suppliers please?
     
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    Looking at the photo, apart from a good clean it obviously needs a chimney and a mantle. It is quite likely it will need a wick as well. There are a few suppliers in the UK and a google search will turn them up. Ebay is also another alternative. One I have used before for wicks is Hattersley's. One thing you will find is that parts can be quite expensive. I forgot, it will also need a 10" glass shade.
     
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    If it needs a wick, a No 14 is the one you want...
     
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    My wife likes them more than pressure lamps:shock:.

    You will have to do some research. The newer chimneys are Loxon, kind of a boyonet screw on fitting, or friction fit, for which you need the gallery fitting to hold the chimney in place.

    There are also taller chimneys for high altiude use.
    They are beautiful fitted with 10" shades, but these are very expensive.
     
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    Blimey think this one might have to go back on the shelf it's all a bit pricey isn't it.
     
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    Yes, getting an Aladdin wick mantle lamp set up is expensive, but once done they are very nice to use.
     
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    @Steve Broughton

    I wouldn't write it off just yet...If it has a wick, then you may not need too much more to get it going?

    The mantles are available for around £13-£15...that's half the price of a Tilley vapouriser, and you may well be able to get a chimney for the same sort of money if you watch on fleabay...they come up all the time?

    At the very least it deserves a clean? ...Go on! ;)
     
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    Agree, parts can be rather expensive, but the lamps are both attractive and useful. An Aladdin lamp is one of the few non pressure oil lamps that permits of comfortable reading.
    I have seen electrocuted lamps for sale very cheaply, can be worth buying for the chimney and shade.
     
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    I got a few of Aladdins around the house, prepared for outages (which is almost unheard of here). For indoor use i do prefer lighting them up when compared to pressure lamps. But similar to kerosene pressure lamps, they do need a warm up time. Therefore, they are also not the first lamps you will find yourself lighting up when outages occur. Kosmos or matador style burners does a better job at giving some amount of light.

    These are the modern models Maxbrite500, made in China. However, this is the best burner design ever produced.
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    Some people swear by the Model B made in the US and the British made Model 23.
    Parts don't actually swap between models. Apart for Model 23 and Maxbrite, they share the same wick, mantles, maxbrite chimneys can be used on any of their Heel-less gallery but not vice versa. Mainly because the Maxbrite produces a lot more heat.

    Their mantles cost a lot but they do last.
     
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    What are the details difference between the maxbrite and aladdin 23 burner?
    Would you have photos and explanation.
    Will be interesting what they have improved versus the aladdin 23 burner.
     
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    Great info Isfuzzy. That Maxbrite burner looks amazing .
     
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    There are a few difference between the Maxbrite series and the British Model.23 series. I would assume the tolerances of mating parts plays a major part.
    From what I can measure, the sheet material used for the 23 are around 0.5mm and the Maxbrite at 0.6mm.
    The other measurements I cannot verify like burner tube depth and vent holes diameter. The Maxbrite vent holes seems larger but I dont own any pin gauge set to verify that.

    Here are some shots.

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    Model.23 and Maxbrite respectively.. Please ignore the fonts and the bug screen smoke bells.

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    The wick knob materials are different. Stamped brass and brass rod on Model. and cast magnesium alloy press fitted to brass rod. The magnesium alloy does not conduct heat very well.
    Running the 2 burners for some time at full brightness, the Model.23 knob is HOT. Also notice the brass bushings for the rods. The amount of play and the solder job :clap:

    The Gallery (the part which consists of the gallery, mantle and chimney)
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    Originally, the Model.23 will come with a Loxon gallery (not shown, I dont own any). These have a split joint assembly, all tabs and bent.
    The Maxbrite galleries (in the background) are stamped from a tube it seems and tabs go into another stamped part. Tabs so tightly done, they almost look like they're spot welded.

    Nothing much to show in the inner tube, I have the wink in the way to make any measurements.
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    Both uses the same wick and raiser model.

    Finally the chimneys
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    Model.23 and Maxbrite respectively. Aladdin suggests not to use the Model.23 chimney on the Maxbrites, not sure why.

    Measurements done with Mitutoyo micrometer with ball ends
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    The Aladdin website says they have basically tightened up all the tolerances. Se here.
     
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    Was the intent of having 'smoke bells' to capture any smoke given off? The smoke would stick to the bells rather than be carried into the air?
     
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    @Matty My intent was to block pesky flying bugs from committing suicide flying into the wide open flue. Aladdin no longer makes the simpler screen mesh screens for lamps. The ones I have, Aladdin had forced the marriage between their brass smoke bell and the bug screen produced by B&P..

    But on the bright side of it, with a smoke bell, I am able to place these lamps on high shelf when lighted.
     

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