Dutch army Petromax

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  1. Hans-Peter United States

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    Hello, does anyone know something about this pressure lamp.
    It looks like a army lamp of the Dutch. But I can not find anything about it. The Belgium army also used chrome pressure lamp, but as far as I can tell de Dutch used the nato version.
    I hope someone has answers.
    Thank for now. F135FC5F-3787-4C9B-B1ED-E47300375262.jpeg 949E8AFD-E3FA-4076-8D23-306492D74623.jpeg E6F2B1B9-BBE2-4041-B850-FCF8F3D1C342.jpeg FEED6D85-49CA-4DC8-9638-BC67B509BE43.jpeg 02CCBE90-3F91-4FD1-92E6-7FDD73E5AECD.jpeg
     
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    Hello Hans-Peter,

    Welcome aboard :thumbup:

    This one is a "modern" Petromax N° 829 500 HK visible throough the cap and the rim of tank the number of sun points between
    the hipocampes all this presents a manufacture of China with the number on the fount.
    The glass it's a modern Schott Suprax glass from 2000s.

    For the rest can not bring you more informations.
    Surely another member will do it for you !

    Regards,
    Titoo.
     
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    Hello Titoo,

    thanks for your answer.
    I thought it was a lamp manufacturerd in Portugal. I already knew that is was a late production. I am looking for the answer if it is a fake or not. Nsn number checked out oke. The problem is that the Dutch army used Hipolito in Nato colour. Belgium used chrome versions. I hope someone here knows the answer.
    For now thanks.
     
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    Welcome aboard!:thumbup:
     
  5. Hans-Peter United States

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    Thanks. There is a lot of knowledge here I see.
    Earlier I picked up a PMax 250 and restored it.
     

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    The Casa Hipolito company produced the Petromax brand and others from 1974 until bankruptcy in december 1999.
    Then the Petromax brand is produced in China.
     
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    Hello @Hans-Peter and welcome! :)

    You have some great lanterns :thumbup:
     
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    Hans Peter,

    it seems you might have a genuine NATO transport case (even if it is rather too new-looking with flimsy stickers) with a made-in-China Petromax adorned with ad-ons to present it as a military lamp.
    Indeed all the older Petromaxes for the german army, and the near identical Hipólito's for the dutch army were plated a matte chrome, appearing as a light grey from a distance. All these lamps were phased out, the Hipó's in the eighties, the germans might have been quicker even. None of these (grey) lamps were replaced with similar lamps.

    So this too shiney lamp is very likely a military wannabe, and I do think I have seen these before on Marktplaats.
    My suggestion is to find a genuine Hipó to live in that case proper, and sell the shiny Petromax or keep her as company for that portuguese sister. By the way, I like that white shade with black logo, which makes for a very usable combo.
    Welcome to the forum!

    Regards, Mike
     
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    Hello Maik,

    thanks for the confirmation about what I already thought.
    The straings thing is that I have seen one before on Marktplaats a year ago. The lady I bought it from had it for almost 10 years in her home. So there must be more. The only thing that seems possible that the replaced a missing lamp or broken lamp. I saw also pictures from Belgium military Pmax lamps that were also chrome plated. They still have them in stock according to the nsn number. I also saw someone that wrote it was a officer’s lamp. But I doubt it.
    Thanks for the welcome.

    The hat on the Pmax 250 also came from Marktplaats. That was a real luck.

    regards, Hans-Peter.
     
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    Oooops :oops:
     
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    Hello @Hans-Peter ,

    a short 'history' (may not be complete) on lanterns used by the Belgian army.

    In the late 1930s, some Coleman 237A were bought, together with some Coleman triple burner ranges, to be used as emergency lighting in command bunkers of the K-W line (a series of bunkers, anti-tank ditches etc. which ran from Koningshooikt to Waver).

    Immediately after the war, they may have used some ex-British army Vapaluxes (but I have no hard proof of that).

    In the early 1950s,a batch of Canadian Coleman 238B's were bought. These were chrome plated and had all text on them in both french and flemish. Most seem to have vanished in thin air.

    During the late 1950s/early 1960s the army bought some 350cp bright chrome plated Petromax lanterns. Some have A.B.L stamped on the bottom (it stands for Armee Belge/Belgisch Leger), some haven't. At the same time, the Belgian Air Force bought some AIDA lanterns, only differing from the Pmaxes by the stamping on the fount, and an AIDA globe. They came from the same factory. Some may have a 'long arrow' on them (as opposed to the 'short arrow' or piled arms found on British army goods), this symbol is found on goods made for/used by the Air Force. As far as I know, all spare parts were Petromax.
    I have absolutely no idea if they still have some lanterns in stock but I doubt it. The Air Force got rid of what little lanterns they had left (but loads of spares and mantles) years ago.

    Groetjes,

    Wim
     
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    For as far as I know now this lamp was from de MLD (Marine luchtvaart dienst/marine aviation service) stopped in 2008.
    I think the wanted a replacement for a lamp and where forced to get a Chinese Petromax, because the grey hipolito was not available anymore.
     

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