I hope this doesn't sound wrong and I'm not talking about my lamps, I want that to be clear and understood from the start. I have been looking in the Lamp Action Gallery and it seems that lots of lamps dont have many views or comments, so my question is why do people say they love the money shot when in reality there seems to be a lack of responses? Now we know how much work and money goes into these lamps so why dont we give more encouragement and show more enthusiasm. These are just my thoughts so please don't get upset with this statement, as this isn't intended to upset anyone at all. I myself are guilty of this too, as my passion lies with Tilley and Kayen lamps only and I do not provide feedback to others on their passions. Please remember that i'm not talking about my lamps, just interested in what you have to say about this question, even if you think that I'm a idiot that's fine as well.
I think that the “money shot”, the lantern’s first light after a fettle, is definitive proof that the fettle was a successful and working rebuild. And, it’s a fitting conclusion to a sometimes arduous fettle, it’s like beating your breast about a job well done. That’s my take on it and I support the money shot. Cheers Pete
It is the first thing I look at when visiting the site. Proof that it has been brought back to life. And a very helpful feedback system - nearly none of my fettles result in a 1st time success with no improvement needed or possible
I'm sometimes reluctant to provided a money shot on newly restored lamps as I like to give the paint a good few weeks to properly cure and harden. The last thing you want is paraffin running down a freshly painted tank to then have to polish the white smear out it leaves....
Luckily most lamps and lanterns are plated or bare brass, not painted, so the above problem is just for a very few types.
I’ve noticed that, yes. If getting views and comments is your goal it’s about drawing the viewer in with an engaging presentation, which will require having a think about what might best appeal to them in a ‘show and tell’. Speaking for myself, it shouldn’t just be ‘show’ but there should be a measure of ‘tell’ as well, and it needs to be thorough. Picturing inner workings, valve mechanisms and the like and including observations on design elements and thoughts on dismantling and re-assembly. Operational observations too can be of interest. It’s more likely to result in me asking questions, interracting with the poster, than on the back of a cosmetic re-finishing alone, unless I’ve a question about paint or painting. My approach on Classic Camp Stoves, which I’ve attempted to do here, is to recognise that a ‘Gallery’ entry should serve as a reference post for that model of stove or lamp. Something to provide an insight for someone else looking for information on the one they have to give them a good idea of what they’ve got or are looking out for. Plenty of photos from a number of angles, including close-ups, patent references where available, any story to tell (provenance) about the lamp. That said, my goal in that approach is not with an eye to the number of views or comments my posts attract but to create the sort of coverage I like to see in others if I’m researching a specific lamp or stove. One final thing, it’s discouraging to ask a question relating to the lamp or its restoration and it goes unanswered or even un-acknowledged. That happens. That goes for me too. John
Well I am with John aka @presscall at this point. The whole thing about "money shots" is something of the last months. That is, that people talk about a picture like that. Lamps in action or lamps being a reference, don't have to be liked or discussed in that part of the forum. The rest of the forum is for discussions, questions. This is how I see it. Not like John mentioned, how many views or likes a lamp gets.
I'm with John, here, too and I applaud his work in providing a clear, comprehensive description of each lantern he features. These have got to be useful to members when they're having to contend with the same or similar lanterns and also provide a record of what the original finish was. Having said that, I'm aware that I usually fall far short of the mark whenever I illustrate a lantern in the Gallery. That's mostly because I've no interest in generating 'views and comments' from other people. Neither am I going to comment on some shiny trinket that's been over-restored (IMO) to the point it's lost all its character and is now no more than a shelf ornament (again, IMO) - YMMV. As I stated above, I'm aiming mainly to give a reference to the original appearance of the lamp or lantern. However, I promise I'll do better with the Bialaddin I'm currently dickering about with - fettling is too good a word. Oh, and while I'm on, I deplore the use of the term 'money shot' on these forums given its original use in the pornography industry to describe the final scenes of their products from which they hope to earn their income. Again, YMMV...
I guess it depends on why a body is interested in lanterns. My interest is not in fettling or collecting rare vintage lanterns. My whole interest is in the " money shot", the lantern lit ; illuminated, functioning and working in all its attractive pride. I love sitting and watching a lit lantern at my work table, the kitchen table, back porch or camp site. That is the height of my interest and enjoyment. When I see lit lanterns in the gallery I usually respond enthusiastically as that is genuinely how I feel about a lit lantern, excited. lol
I did say, from the start it's not about my lamps, I made this very clear. The whole point of this question isn't power or pride, how many comments, even how many views it's about other people commenting or encouraging others to keep going and telling them that their work is appreciated especially if its a new members, ie: showing interest, this is the point of my question. I myself couldn't care less if you like my work or not, but that being said I do appreciate what people have to say. Now again I hope this doesn't sound rude, that isn't my intention thanks to all for their comments.
Why David, I didn't know "money shot" was connected with porn... you are really moving along with the times! All kidding aside, I don't like the term either. I have a number of lanterns that will never be "money shotted" lol They are NOS and will stay like that until I move on the gold mine in the sky! After that, I don't give a damn what someone else does with the lantern. I love to see a NOS lantern in the box that no one monkeyed around with. It gives me the satisfaction of knowing it's mine, it's never been lit, and it won't be as long as I own it! I know there are people who will argue over this and that's fine, opinions are like you know what, and everybody has one! It's all based on personal preference.
Plus the instant drop in value of that NOS lamp! once lit it then becomes a NN (nearly new) lamp! lol. David, I'm with you on that term, when I first came on this forum I was confused that people were using it and apparently not aware (at least that's what I thought) of its common use. Let's think of a different term guys & gals! Winning Shot? Whilst I'm in a suggestion box mood, wouldn't it be nice to have a monthly 'star' lamp? I'm sure this must have been suggested before.
...or even something so prosaic as 'first light-up' (after fettling). But yes, simply 'lit' would do the job equally well - as in, 'let's see it lit' or 'here it is, lit'
Lit it is, David! I like that better. I'm behind the times, I didn't know the true meaning of money shot till now... World is passing me by!
Lit, lite up, anything but money shot! I'm not a prude but I must admit I was a little embarrased when I found out what it was associated with...
I’m not aware of the pornographical connotation to the term “money shot” that’s been attributed to it by some members. For as far back as I can remember, it’s sometimes used by competitors on our rifle range when he/she defines their best shot of the match. On these occasions there is no thought and or indication of any lewd innuendo. Just saying....... Cheers Pete
I believe many members have used the term because they have seen it used frequently enough here. I like the idea of using a better term. Iain @AussiePete And Pete, fullbore or smallbore? Just interested.
from Wikipedia: "Originally, in general film-making usage, the "money shot" was simply the scene that cost the most money to produce.[2] In general, a money shot (also called a money-making shot[3]) is a provocative, sensational, or memorable sequence in a film, on which the film's commercial performance is perceived to depend.[4] The scene may or may not be a special-effects sequence, but may be counted on to become a selling point for the film. For example, in an action thriller, an expensive special-effects sequence of a dam bursting might be considered the money shot of the film. Many filmmakers read a script and look for the most dramatic or climactic moment—the money shot—in the proposed film.[5] Even though the costs or technical challenges of filming such an impressive scene may be huge, producers and directors will do whatever it takes to get that shot completed. It is because of its box-office importance and expensive set-up, that this climactic scene is often referred to as a money shot. More broadly, it can be any notably dramatic or emotional footage" However it has been hijacked by the porn industry, but that is not representative of the greater number of people on the planet. I ask what term - to the fettler - is an equally or more fitting term for the first sucessful lighting of a protracted fettle ? Chris
Without wishing to be in any way controversial or perceived as attacking you personally, Chris, might I politely ask if that's fact or opinion?
No offence taken - broad shoulders down here...- It is well a well known expression for the climax (pun intended) of that sort of film - the same Wikipedia item I scraped the other part from goes on to mention it. Certainly the younger people I know would agree.
@Sedgman Military shoot at the SSAA range near Toowoomba, mainly 303s. I also shoot competitively blackpowder long arms for example Enfields, Sharps and some flintlocks. I collect and restore these beasties to original shooting condition. Cheers Pete
