Petromax Rapid Super 829/500 (Finland)

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  1. Caravellix Finland

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    Is it Chinese version or original German?
    IMG_20210523_174849.jpg IMG_20210523_175116.jpg IMG_20210523_175014.jpg IMG_20210523_175000.jpg IMG_20210523_175037.jpg IMG_20210523_175110.jpg IMG_20210523_175046.jpg IMG_20210523_175123.jpg IMG_20210523_174919.jpg IMG_20210523_174946.jpg There is 10 beams in the sun, but doesn´t have "Made in Germany", only "Germany".
     
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    Welcome aboard!:thumbup:

    The build quality looks good to me, but some other members will have more information for you, the hood and the pressure gauge are from an Optimus lantern.

    Lanterns
     
  3. Reinhard

    Reinhard Germany Subscriber

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    @Caravellix
    If the sun has 10 rays and it says Germany on the tank, then the tank is from Portugal. The carrying frame and the red hat are from China. The globe, baffle plate, holder for 2 hole glow mantle, pump button, rapid lever come from older German Petromax. The pressure gage is Swedish. I've never seen the Rapid substructure like this bevore.I think it is possible that it is one of the first Petromax from China. (2000)?
    Regards Reinhard
     
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    Your lantern is probably made in Portugal by Hipolito. Is the "G" at fount mark mirror inverted???
     
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    Yes it is.

    Petromax CPL 01T (2).jpg
     
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    The inverted G is not an indicator of production from Portugal. You can see it on @leo ' homepage" 500HK "on his Portuguese Petromax 827.In my collection, too, all Petromax made in Portugal have a completely normal G on the tank. I think it' s a Chinese mishap. At the beginning of the production you were not yet familiar with the Latin characters. The last Petromax tank from Hipolito/Portugal was not copied correctly.
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    There is an extra point to the star that usually designates Chinese manufacturing; to me anyway.
     
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    @John
    10 rays plus Made in Germany means made in Germany
    10 rays plus Germany means made in Portugal
    11 rays plus Germany means made in China
    It is probably a very early Chinese-made tank. The number of sunrays was copied correctly at the beginning. The number of beams was later increased from 10 to 11.
     
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  10. Caravellix Finland

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    Thank you all for sharing your knowledge.

    So, if I understood correctly it´s rather than made in a factory, put together by some individual with bits and pieces from here and there? To me it doesn´t make any difference, I like it as it is. It´s a gift from a friend and valuable to that way.

    This is my first pressure lamp and to me this whole scene is totally new, lot´s of things to study.
    My plan is in some point to restore this lamp in working condition. Every tube and nozzle and valve need to clean thoroughly for sure, but what else there is I need to focus on?

    Here´s a better picture of stampings: IMG_20210524_081822.jpg
     
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    Please take a photo of the number stamped on the bottom of the tank.
     
  12. Caravellix Finland

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    There ain't any stamping at bottom, I can picture it later.
     
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    Please take a look and take a picture.
    If the tank does not have a 6-digit or a 4-digit number on the bottom, then it is not a Petromax tank.
     
  14. Caravellix Finland

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    Here`s a picture of bottom, there aint any stampings, IMG_20210525_090645.jpg IMG_20210525_090712.jpg only that round mark from maybe a sticker?
     
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    6 digit code likely under that sticker
     
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    As it is what I also have under some of my lanterns it is a spot, round, where there is no plating done.
    So not a sticker but bare brass.
     
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    I guess its where fount was fixed for nickle plating during production process.

    Regards Matti
     
  18. Caravellix Finland

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    That sounds logical to me, as there´s no plating in that area.
     

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