Hello, Can anyone please tell me what were the Coleman KEROSENE lantern models? I am going nuts trying to figure all the model designations out. If there was a quick reference guide I could get my hands on, it would be really helpful (wouldn't have to pester the forum). I understand these models were generally known to be kerosene fueled. 201, 237, 247, 249. Were there any others? And the King of the Hill supposedly is the 237, correct. One last question...which of the CF models are suitable to conversion to Kerosene? Thanks for your input. Alex
Oh yes quite a few more. Some exceedingly rare mind you. 206, 214, 214A, 218 (Never seen), 221, 222 Col-Max, 223, 225, 227 (Special never seen), 231, 234, 235, 238A, 238B, 239A, 239E, 240, 241, 241A, 241B, 241G, 241K, 242K,247R, 249D, 249E, 333 Col-Max, 339, 427K, 555 Col-Max, 639, 639B, I think that about covers it. ::Neil::
Hello I've found this particular topic very interesting, but, is there a way of cross referencing it with the "standard Coleman" type of lantern? i.e. Whitefuel_______Kerosene______Dualfuel 200_____________201___________? 220_____________?_____________? 236_____________237___________n/a? 242_____________?_____________247? 252_____________252___________252 etc... I suggest this, as I know that the 236/237 were like this, but I didn't know about two mantle lanterns and others. Maybe someone has a better way of documenting it. I'm very interested in the pressurized kerosene lanterns as Coleman white fuel appears to be approaching $20/U.S.gallon(short)3.78L at CanadaTyre locally. $16+ at Walmart. They (kerosene types), seem to be a little like "hens' teeth" here in Langley Vancouver, or probably I'm just looking in the wrong places. Cheers ThosL
I did a 200 to 201 conversion with great success. The 200 gets used for quick barn tasks, but the 201 gets lighted when I'm going to be out there for a while.
Hello again The reason I asked the question about "lantern families" or derivatives thereof, was to find out which are closely related i.e., sharing fonts, ventilators and burner frames etc? e.g. a 200(A) and 201(A?), a 236 and 237 (and the /ABC models) Is the 206 in the same family as a 639 (both 550CP)? Do they share fonts, ventilators and burner frames etc? But what kerosene model connects with the 220 family, if any? Were there 2 mantle kerosene lanterns at all??? Please excuse my ignorance; but I haven't found any site which categorically states the relationships between "White fuel" models and "Kerosene" models. Thanks for you patience Regards ThosL
This is something I have never looked at and whilst I am sure there are connections I could not work them out without a deal of research. Looks like you have your own research project here. Yes there were a few twin mantle kero lanterns. 231, 235 and 427K for sure. All are hard to find though. ::Neil::
Thank you Neil ! I found the "Double mantle kerosene" discussion from last year with the 235 listing and Doron Papo's information sheet for the 234/235 describing them as; "matched in appearance and performance its popular 220 and 242 ..... gasoline burning lanterns,... 235...300Cp ...234...175Cp."! So now the Chart can be developed! Whitefuel_______Kerosene______Dualfuel 200_____________201____________? 220_____________235____________? __?_____________231____________? 236_____________237____________n/a? 242_____________234____________247? 252_____________252____________252 __?_____________427K I'll carry on, thank you for the help. I'm not sure what the differences are with the 228 and 220 models but I'll work on that as well. Thanks again for shining a light (sic) on the Coleman family branches of lanterns. Cheers ThosL
There isn't a lot of difference between the 220 and 228, save the size of the reflector, which is larger on the 228. They are both two-mantle gasoline models and were made concurrently for many years with numerous small variations as time passed. I believe the 228 was discontinued before the 220 in the 1980s. DMV
Thanks Dave, for that information. By reflector, do you mean ventilator? I wonder if there was ever a kerosene version of the 228 marketed? It wouldn't have taken much effort on Coleman Toronto's part. Cheers ThosL
You are getting confused here. 242 is gasoline and 234 is certainly a kero version but 247 and the later 249 are not dual fuel but also kero lanterns. In fact the sequence is 242K-247-249. 252 is the milspec and that was always gasoline and never for any other fuel. 427K is a Canadian kero version of the gasoline L427. Coleman never did go big on twin mantle kero lanterns and I am pretty sure there never was a wide hood version of 235. Most Coleman kero models were single mantle. There is another connection though. Model 243 is a single mantle gasoline lantern and the kero equivalent is 241. ::Neil::
Hello Neil Yes I may be getting confused and making errors, but that's why I asking questions Whitefuel_______Kerosene______Dualfuel 200_____________201______ ______? 220_____________235______ ______? __?_____________231______ ______? 236_____________237______ ______n/a? 242_____________234______ ______? 242K____________249_____________247Scout(see below*) 243_____________241_____________n/a? 252______________________ ______252 _?______________427K I have a Sport-Lite 242B D/41 which says gasoline and my son has a (*)247 Scout 47/2 which says gasoline or kerosene; hence my classification of "Dual fuel"! In the 1930s and early 1940s, I understood that most "regular" gasoline was very like the Coleman white fuel of today: Unleaded and low octane. I haven't seen a 247 next to a 249 to compare them But my 242B is very similar to the 247 Scout in size and output : 300-350Cp. Or is a 247 different from a 247Scout? I saw that there is also a 249Scout(to confuse me!) Yes the 252 doesn't do kerosene, but it does AV-GAS, white gas or leaded gasoline according to the instructions. Does this mean it multi-fuel rather than dual/tri-fueled? (Oh dear.. what have I started?) Regards ThomasL
Hello It was quite late/early when I last replied, midway through a Woodbadge 1 Troop course. And now, this arvo, I can see some of my mistakes/errors. Whitefuel_______Kerosene_ _____Dualfuel 200_____________201______ ______? 220_____________235______ ______? __?_____________231______ ______? 236_____________237______ ______n/a? 242_____________234______ ______? 242 _______242K/247/249_________247Scout(see below*) 243_____________241______ _______n/a? 252______________________ ______252 L427____________427K So am I starting to make (some sort of)sense? Is a 249Scout, both Gasoline and Kerosene capable, as per a 247Scout? I've found the information on Doron Papo's website very interesting and informative. Has anyone else assembled a "236 page/table" the way he's doing for the 237s currently? Cheers ThomasL
252 is a gasoline lantern. Specifically designed to leaded fuel but it will run well on any gasoline. Dual fuel? No it is a gasoline burner. Now we get to a problem because most Coleman kero lamps will run on gasoline. Sometimes well and sometimes not BUT that is not a general rule because there are a few Coleman kero lamps which are not safe to run on gasoline. The 241 range for instance are strictly kero only. Models like 247 and 249 will be OK with gasoline as is 237 and most of the others that have a lock down pump and a shut off valve. I don't like to encourage folk experimenting with fuels. Nearly all kero lamps of any make will work on gas but as a general rule they are not safe with tha more volatile fuel. It so happens that a lot of Coleman kero stuff is actually a conversion from a gasoline equivalent and has the features that make gasoline a safe fuel to use. Why play around? If you want a gas lamp buy a gasoline model and don't try to run a kero lamp on gas. ::Neil::
Yes, I did use an incorrect part name. I guess ventilator would be the correct term. I wouldn't know about kerosene versions of the 220/228. We always used gasoline lanterns at the cottage until they electrified the area in 1959. I don't ever remember seeing a kerosene pressure lantern as a kid. DMV
Hi Neil Thanks for your reply, which I totally agree with! Especially in regards to Safety! SAFETY FIRST! But what about the 247Scout? Is it a Coleman compromise being labelled: gasoline and kerosene? Is the 249Scout like this as well? Whitefuel_______Kerosene______Dualfuel 200_____________201____________? 220_____________235____________? __?_____________231____________? 236_____________237____________n/a? 242_____________234____________? 242 _______242K/247/249________247Scout(see below*) 243_____________241____________n/a? 252(& AvGas & Leaded Gasoline) L427____________427K Maybe I'm starting to get somewhere. Thank you again Regards ThomasL (*)247 Scout (dated 47/2) which says, on the collar, gasoline or kerosene; hence my classification of "Dual fuel"
Hi, My 249 scout states that it is for kero only, manufactured in 6/54 year. But I have a 242b which burns shellite. I have just purchased another 249 scout yesterday so I will advise you what it states on the globe rest. I live in Australia
This is the Coleman 249 "scout" made in Australia under licence with Coleman made in 6/1954 complete with original spirit burner on the globe support it states for kerosene only hope this helps
Hello As promised, some 247Scout images; Hope this is beneficial. Now you can appreciated why I was asking about "Duel fuel" (being capable of burning both Kerosene and Coleman Fuel) models? Regards ThomasL p.s. The 247Scout came from my Father-in-laws family farm in Maxim on the Prairies. I know the fuel cap could be from an iron or something else. The spirit cup is homemade. T.L.
Hello Well this table is developing slowly Whitefuel_______Kerosene_ _____Dualfuel 200_____________201______ ______? 220_____________235______ ______? __?_____________231______ ______? 236_____________237______ ______n/a? 242_____________234______ ______? 242 _______242K/247/249______ __247Scout(see below*) 243_____________241______ ______n/a? 252(& AvGas & Leaded Gasoline) 335_____________339 L427____________427K What I'm trying to do is to help find out which kerosene and whitefuel(gasoline )models share common basic parts (generators excluded), i.e. founts, burner frames, globes, ventilators etc.. "Frame rests" while of identical dimensions would of-course be marked with different model numbers. Where for example, globes are common between different lamps e.g. 335 & 339, 236 & 237. To a certain extent Doron Papo's "Modern Globe Chart III" does this for some models, but not all. I'm currently just trying to fill in some gaps, until someone comes along with something better. Regards ThomasL
Hi ThosKiwi. Did you find out more about dual fuel lamps? If Macburner is correct and Kerosene lamps are derived from Gasoline lamps, what is the difference? Is it a jet size issue such as that found in omnifuel stoves? Ta kidsonp, Taupo NZ
247 and 249 will both run on gas but they are designed as kero lanterns and are not Instant lighting on gasoline, they have to be pre heated a little. What I meant by kero lamps derived from gas lamps is simply that a lot of them have the lock down pump and shut off valves which are features of the gas lamps but not essential features of a kero lamp. So Coleman took a gas lamp and changed the generator and burner to use kero. Complicated this because this means that a lot of kero lamps are safe to use with gas but the converse is not always true. None of them are true dual fuel lamps because they will always work better with kero. Most Coleman gas lamps will run on kero but you will clog the generator faster and get a poorer light. ::Neil::
The 235 is a "true" dual fuel lantern, with a double mantle. The instructions specifically state the lantern should be "pre-heated" for both fuels, kerosene and gasoline. I use only kerosene in mine and would not even think of using gasoline! Just for the record, there is no fuel/air pickup tube in a 235, only a fuel pickup tube thus you pre-heat it a little!
I believe the 286 and the 214 share the same common parts, except of course the valve and generator. Slightly off topic, but the 286 and 288 share the same generator... HD
Hello first thanks for the amazing amount of data. It is appreciated. Just a question to clarify regarding Coleman kerosene lanterns. The 237A and 237B are list as kerosene. How about the 237 no letter? Thanks in Advance!
