1940´s - Petromax 850

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  1. Luminator

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    Here my Petromax 850 200 CP in uncleand condition.
    No parts missing, nothing damaged, even the glas is original.
    Looking forward to cleaning her up and light her :D

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    Neat lantern! :thumbup:
     
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    Good solid little lanterns these. They are a copy of a Standard design and we think probably military. Hard to find now but well worth what you have to pay because they are very good working lamps. ::Neil::
     
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    it´s not a real copy of the standard 2422, but a kind of successor (same lamp, new name), because graetz took over the standard works in 1942.
     
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    I know it is not a copy of a Standard lantern. It is a copy of the style or design. I assmue it was made using Standard tooling though so there had to be some commercial tie in. However I was not aware of Graetz taking over Standard at any time. Show me the evidence please.

    Given the way manufacturing was managed in Germany after 1938 it does not surprise me to learn that Graetz managed the Standard works. There was quite a bit of enforced cooperation at the time with HASAG managing Ditmar and Stubgen for instance so Standard being taken over would fit into that scenario.
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    thats it, neil !
    there is no clear evidence for that, but a lot of indices.
    graetz was dominating the german lamp production and had a cooperation with the other manufacturers.

    and as it is clear, that graetz produced the standard lamps after the war (they are absolutely identical to the petromax lamps), i believe that they have taken over the works of standard-licht and got rights on "standard", as they got the rights on "AIDA".

    i´m still researching on this topic.
     
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    Graetz and Aida is different. In 1928 a new partnership company Aidagesellschaft für Beleuchtung und Heizung M.b.H was formed which owned the brand name Aida and presumably also some or all of the factory assets of J. Hirschhorn A.G. We are not sure exactly how this company was set up but it appears that Ehrich & Graetz AG had control but product was still made in the Aida Factory until WW2. After WW2 the new Graetz company continued to use the Aida brand but from about 1950 the two brands were made from the same tooling in the Petromax Altena factory.

    As I understand it raw materials for industry began to be state contoled from about 1938 and unless a company had political clout it was near impossible to continue production and this forced cooperation or take over of the smaller companies. Standard may well have been controled by Graetz from 1938 but I have no evidence that Graetz owned the brand name or that they made Standard product after WW2 in Altena. It is perhaps possible that Post WW2 Standard was made by Graetz Aktiengesellschaft VEB which was the Berllin factory (later VEB Fernmeldewerk Treptow) but as far as we know that company ceased lamp production in about 1950. ::Neil::
     
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    now she is working :)

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