Help needed Radius 119

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  1. redspeedster United Kingdom

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    Hi
    I've just bought a Radius 119 and I can't get it to run properly.
    Firstly there was a leak where the vapouriser attached. That was easily fixed with a new lead washer.
    Now the problem is it just doesn't burn well at all and stinks of paraffin vapour.
    I ran it without the top on the burner so I could see what was going on and this is what happened.

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    Any ideas?
    Sorry about the crap video. :oops:
    I really like this lantern and would like to get it running right.

    Cheers
     
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  2. JEFF JOHNSON

    JEFF JOHNSON United Kingdom Subscriber

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    Hello Gary, the vapouriser may need a good clean out, I would let it soak in vinegar for a day or so and remove the jet first.

    The vinegar will loosen the muck and then an air hose can be used to give the vapouriser a blast out.

    I would also give the tank a good clean out and clean all of the parts too, a clean lamp will always work better.

    Do let us know how you get on, Jeff.
     
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    A strong smell of kero means not all the vaporised fuel is burning. That can be for a number of reasons. You need to be sure the J Tube is clear and check that the stream of gas from the jet is all shooting into the J Tube. Any variation from straight and some escapes to the side and stinks. Make sure the jet is a good seal to the top of the generator tube. Leaks there will also blow kero vapour out to the side and it will eventually light and really ruin the burn at the mantle. ::Neil::
     
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    It ceratinly looks like it's starving for air. Is there any deformation of the square section steel frame that the mixing tube fits into? This could lower the mouth of the tube over the jet giving the wrong distance. The flaps on either side of the steel section should also be bent higher up allowing the hot gas to escape the hood easier. It also looks like the locating hole in the rim of the hood is not aligned correctly. This might hold the inner hood in an incorrect alignment with the jet.
     
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    Check out if you have a alcohol version. They are almost the same.
    Does the jet fit and sits it tight on the vaporizer ?
     
  6. redspeedster United Kingdom

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    Hi
    Things I've done so far, jet is seated properly, J tube has been pipe cleanered and the vapouriser is clear.
    I think I have either too much fuel or too little air. ](*,)
    I don't have an other burner to check the "wings" but that could be a problem.
    When burning there seems to be a lot of flame outside the mantle.

    Thanks for all your suggestions.

    Cheers

    Gary
     
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    Could be as simple as the jet is worn out.
     
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    Yes, that seems likely, Jeff.
     
  9. Carlsson

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    If it's the jet that's worn, you often get a noticeable improvement in the performance if you slowly rise the cleaning needle to a point where it restricts the gas stream just slightly through the jet.
    Worth testing, even if it didn't look like it had any effect on the part where wou turned the control wheel in that clip.
     
  10. redspeedster United Kingdom

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    Hi Christer
    Tried what you suggested & yes it is better when the cleaning needle is about half way out.
    So a jet is definately needed.

    Thanks

    Gary
     
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    I may have a spare at home from an old milspec 119. Definetly had an envelope - may just be a cleaning needle in it. I'll check on Saturday - too far from the shed at mo!
     
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    If it is a tiny envelope, it's probably just the needles.
    If it's the needles envelope, it's marked 119/87.
    But military lanterns might of course have had a kit of their own with selected parts, so perhaps you might find a jet there after all.
     
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    Envelope has the needles, removal tool & pump leather but no jet. :(

    However I do have spare jets for the Radius 43 stove (box seems to indicate same jet for paraffin & petrol version so dual fuel) - anyone know if that will fit a Radius 119. I also have stove No:46 jets - guessing they'd be no good but I mention them given the apparent dual fuel nature of the 43.
     
  14. JEFF JOHNSON

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    Hello Gary, I have an unused old stock Radius 119 vapouriser and jet, the link below shows it.

    If this item is of interest to you, then contact me via a private topic, Jeff.

    http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/1812
     
  15. Albert Arvidsson

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    Dear Ross, when we meet at the Primus Meeting you will get a a number of Radius 119 jets for kerosene. The jets you just mentioned is to my knowledge the same as the 119/28, which is the Radius article number for the jet. Best regards, Albert
     
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    My 43 & 46 jets are different to the ones in Jeff's link.

    That's very good of you Albert! Gary will be pleased to get them - I know he was keen to secure his 'Fathers Day' lamp at Newark & was disappointed when it wasn't working. We live very close to each other so easy for me to get the jets to him.

    I'm really looking forward to the Primus Meeting!
     
  17. Carlsson

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    Hi Albert.

    I don't think that the 43 jets Ross mentioned will fit the lantern aswell!
    Apart from being called 10/28 in Radius´ terminology, the ones for the stoves also just looks like stove jets usually do to me (with the flattened sides instead of the hexagonal ones you are used to on lanterns and lamps, and also a bit "fatter").
     
  18. Albert Arvidsson

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    They migth fit, but will they work properly? As far as I know, stove jets often has larger holes than lantern jets, and there is the thing with the cleaningneedle, that should work. A lot of parts are interchangeable between different stoves and lanterns, but not all. Best regards to you all, Albert
     
  19. redspeedster United Kingdom

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    Hi
    Thanks everyone for all the offers of help.
    As Ross said this was a fathers day present from Newark, so I would like to get it running right.
    As an infrequent poster here I'm blown away by the positive replies I've received.
    Glad to see that CPL has carries on the CCS tradition.
    Less fights on here tho' :lol:

    Cheers

    Gary
     
  20. Albert Arvidsson

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    Sorry Christer, my fingers were faster than my brain, been shuffling gravel allday so I may be excused. You are rigth, the Radius 43 stove jets won´t fit on the Radius 119. They will fit on Optimus stove burners, like the 111. The Radius 119/28 lantern jets are intended for use on the Radius 115/118/119/12o lanterns. The 119/28 is 300 CP jet. At a time Radius also had 500 CP jets for the 119, article number is not in my head rigth now. But, I always clame that a "worn" 300 CP jet is more or less the same thing as a 500 CP, and the 119 can take that easy. I have one 119 that outperformes all my other 119 in brigthness, same fuel in them all,so I suspect the jet is sligthly worn, since it has the marking 119/28 on it. It even outperformes my Radius 110 that is supposed to be a 500 CP, so probably it gives me 600 CP, since Radius 119 outperfomes everything. Yes, I am a Radius man!
    Best regards, Albert
     
  21. Carlsson

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    No kidding! :lol:
    Well, I'm slowly getting there my self. Atleast I tend to like Radius better and better the more I learn about them.

    Anyway. In this case, and If I was Redspeedster, I'd go for Jeff's offer on the NOS vaporiser with its new jet!
    Can't go wrong there.
     
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