Testing Tilley Vapourisers and Burners

Discussion in 'Fettling Forum' started by Tony Press, Jul 12, 2022.

  1. Tony Press

    Tony Press Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2012
    Messages:
    10,806
    Location:
    Stinkpot Bay, Howden, Tasmania, Australia
    If you’re prone to spend too much time in the shed fussing around with Tilley lamps, it’s good to be able to test your burners and vapourisers.

    I’ve posted about about my X246 test-bed before (called “David”), but I’ve been working on a KL80 (not at all often found in Australia), and I thought it important to test the ‘as found’ components before reassembling.

    While I was at it, I tested a few 606 and 169 vapourisers that were lying around.

    First though, from the testing:

    Bad vapouriser.
    AA2FA259-D883-44FE-9833-66B1A1BD92C9.jpeg

    Good vapouriser (same burner/same mantle).
    11440968-D48C-4389-BAA1-A36853B738E2.jpeg

    It’s easy to see the result of the enlarged jet in the 169 vapouriser from the KL80.

    The second photo above is a 606 vapouriser that I new worked properly.

    This next photo is testing another 169 vapouriser. It’s jet is fine.
    758BC61A-0D6F-468C-AF6C-A096B0C5A765.jpeg


    Testing a burner and gallery:

    IMG_1389.jpeg

    IMG_1408.jpeg

    IMG_1428.jpeg

    IMG_1430.jpeg


    Cheers

    Tony
     
  2. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,707
    Location:
    Lancashire, UK
    Very useful demonstration Tony, thanks.

    John
    @Tony Press
     
  3. Tony Press

    Tony Press Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2012
    Messages:
    10,806
    Location:
    Stinkpot Bay, Howden, Tasmania, Australia
    John,

    I was quite pleased with the photo of the orange flame outside the mantle on the vapouriser with the enlarged jet. It was that photo that prompted me to put this thread together.

    I’ve got a whole stack of used vapourisers, so I should spend a few more hours sorting the wheat from the chaff. Having spare good quality Tilley burners is a good thing.

    Cheers

    Tony

    Also: *its not it’s above!

    @presscall
     
  4. Fireexit1 United Kingdom

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2020
    Messages:
    3,499
    Location:
    Brighton UK
    Yup - somehow the good ones and the bad ones get mixed up. Poor workshop discipline I guess...:D
    Although I have found that one lantern's "bad" vapouriser will work acceptably on another lantern. I suspect when not as bad as the one you pictured above when married up with a more "tolerant" lantern they work, for example I have a 169 vapoursiser that flares in a R1 heater but works perfectly in a FL6 without a hint of flaring. Given the smaller burner and mantle on the FL6 perhaps even more surprising..
     
  5. Sedgman

    Sedgman Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    1,202
    Location:
    Victoria, Australia
    Nice topic Tony. Good info.
    I had a flaming yellow umbrella under a burner recently and a good vapouriser swap proved the problem; though the jet seemed normal but obviously not. Drop peening the vapouriser didn’t help either. As you say, that’s what good spares are for.
     
  6. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,707
    Location:
    Lancashire, UK
    Yes, that’s captured it very well.
     
  7. Julian Whittaker

    Julian Whittaker Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2021
    Messages:
    256
    Location:
    Greendale Vic
    Good stuff Tony. useful info. Thanks. Can I ask, when you say 'bad' vaporiser, can you elaborate 'bad' - caused by what?
    Is it blockage? is the jet hole worn / enlarged? The pricker no good? What else can cause these problems. Today, having cleaned my Guardsman vaporiser with no improvement, I'm going to try to clean the fuel feed tube, it'll be interesting to see if it fixes/improves my 'dullard' problem.
     
  8. Buggerlugs

    Buggerlugs Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2020
    Messages:
    2,705
    Location:
    Australia Melbourne
    Yes I would like to know as well thanks.
     
  9. Tony Press

    Tony Press Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2012
    Messages:
    10,806
    Location:
    Stinkpot Bay, Howden, Tasmania, Australia
    @Buggerlugs & @Julian Whittaker

    “Bad vapouriser”:

    Note:

    1. I’m talking about Tilley vapourisers here, but similar comments may and do apply to other vapourisers and generators. 2. A bad flame or mantle colour can be caused by many things, not just the vapouriser.

    The vapouriser is key to converting liquid fuel to gaseous fuel. To do this it must be able to get hot enough. Then it must emit the gas at a rate that allows for the correct air/fuel mix in the burner.

    What can go wrong?

    1. The jet is enlarged, allowing too much fuel into the burner.

    2. Carbon can build up in the vapouriser, limiting the ability for either adequate fuel flow, or complete vapourisation of the liquid fuel; or both.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  10. WimVe

    WimVe Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    3,500
    3. Without the globe you get another airflow and more important another heat regime.
     
  11. Buggerlugs

    Buggerlugs Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2020
    Messages:
    2,705
    Location:
    Australia Melbourne
    Thanks Tony.
     
  12. Jody Australia

    Offline
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2022
    Messages:
    24
    Location:
    Port Stephens NSW Australia
    Just playing with my first Vapouriser and doing my first test runs.

    I have found I have the same outcome as the good picture you have shown with the little blue flames sitting on the burner outlet ring. At about 10-15 pumps very stable small little blue flames. At about 20-25 same result just more flow slightly bigger brighter blue flames.

    How many pumps should you be able to achieve this for as if I keep pumping eventually the blue flames leave the outlet and sit away from the ring? Does this mean the vaporizer is enlarged or is this normal?
     
  13. Tony Press

    Tony Press Australia Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2012
    Messages:
    10,806
    Location:
    Stinkpot Bay, Howden, Tasmania, Australia
    @Jody

    If you pump too much pressure into the tank the flame will blow out from the burner holes.

    So, testing it like you did is correct.

    If your jet is enlarged the flames will show as yellow tails at low pressure.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  14. Jody Australia

    Offline
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2022
    Messages:
    24
    Location:
    Port Stephens NSW Australia
    @Tony Press thanks for the quick reply much appreciated :-)

    Great news I have no yellow tails, and all seems well.

    looks like it’s time to put its first mantle in and have my first lantern fired up for Xmas :-)
     

Share This Page