How to make the vaporizer such a internal section?

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  1. Ernest Kimm Bangladesh

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    Hi!
    Considering the cross section inside the tube,
    it seems that it is not easy to manufacture the vaporizer.
    Can someone explain the making of the Tilley vaporizer,
    How to make the vaporizer such a internal section?
     
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    @Ernest Kimm

    Are you trying to reproduce the vapouriser made by Tilley? Or are you trying to make a vapouriser that is a substitute for the Tilley vapouriser?

    In the Reference Library there are some Tilley patents that show the internal components of the Tilley vapouriser. (You need to be a Subsciber to CPL to view them).

    There are also vapourisers made in Asia for Tilley lamps that are different designs to the original. The best of these are made from steel, with a removable nipple (jet) and removable pricker. These are available on eBay.

    Best regards

    Tony
     
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    Thanks Tony for your kind answer.

    I didn't have the re-production in mind.

    It's a sense of awe for the original producers to think about and create such a difficult section.
    If you look at the appearance and the cross section, I posted a question because I was very curious about the production method.

    As you said, It is available a new type of vaporizer for Tilly and Vapalux in South Korea.

    First, I need to check if I can see the CPL archive you mentioned.

    Thanks again.
     
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  5. Ernest Kimm Bangladesh

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    Thanks ROBBO55 for the links to the relevant material.
    Through two threads, I understood the schematic manufacturing process.

    There are still doubts that the welding method on the top inch of the vaporizer is silver solder,
    but it was understandable that the mechanical/welding works are still possible.

    Thanks again.
     
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    @Ernest Kimm Vaporizers don't get hot enough to melt silver solder. The top section of Akron, and I believe some Coleman vaporizers are silver soldered.
     
  7. Ernest Kimm Bangladesh

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    Yes, Reese. So, guess what, at least one place at the vaporizer tube, there's going to be silver soldering at that groove location in the tube. I didn't check the actual drawing or section. By the way, thanks for your comments.
     
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    It is certainly not difficult for the manufacturers to do it. A series of machine crimping, insertion, folding, press-lip forming and punching operations during mass production.
    The design was such that materials could be effectively reduced but at the same time, meet all the requirements of a functional generator.
    It is only feasible to manufacture them using dedicated machinery.
    By design of the steel vaporizers, they're not intended to be hand-made in a machine shop on a lathe.
    By the same analogy, it would be extremely difficult to make even simple everyday items like a soft-drink can from sheet metal in a home workshop.
    The vaporizers were made to be non-serviceable, and therefore, are meant to be disposable parts.
     
  9. Ernest Kimm Bangladesh

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    Thanks, MYN.
    The question was raised because it was not possible to see the weld marks visible on this type of product, at the vaporizer surface.
    I fully agree that it is a disposable product that was mass-produced or not for reused.
    So maybe I wanted to check if it was welded in the groove (top inch).
    My question still remains as to whether and how to weld. thank you.
     
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    The manufacturing process, true.

    Home manufacture, a Tilley vapouriser for a CS56 stove, made from a cut-down lantern vapouriser. An original CS56 vapouriser, top.

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    One of the internal conical components to guide/support the pricker wire.

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    I replaced the damaged jet with a brass insert silbrazed in place containing a jet orifice of the correct size.

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    Pricker tip engaged.

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    Stove in action.

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    John
     
  11. Ernest Kimm Bangladesh

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    Thanks John for your good explanation.
    It's quite interesting for your adaptation the length of vaporizer with silver soldering.
    It would be tough works at jet orifice.:clap:
    By the way, CS56 stove is good condition after your works.

    Thanks
     
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    These sequence would be possible without amid-tube soldering.
     

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    Yes, machine forming as you’ve said, with crimping of the steel disc containing the jet orifice.
     
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    That's right, Ernerst.
    All the individual shaped metal parts had been inserted prior to machine-crimping/folding.
    None of them brazed or welded.
    The end orifice piece had also been clamped into position by rather heavy equipment exerting great pressures for the necessary forming.
    Almost similar in the way that the bottoms/tops of steel food cans are being assembled and sealed. No welds are necessary for that process.
    These sorts of assembly can only be done at the factory.
    With the proper equipment, I'd say, they were assembled with great speeds and efficiencies. In fact, with great ease too. The vaporizers had also been designed to ease manufacture, minimize the costs of labour. As such, the process could easily be automated.
    That's very unlike the way Preston loop generators, such as those found on Petromax type lanterns were being made. While these require brazing of the loops, they can still be made by hand on a lathe and some silver brazing equipment in a home workshop.
     
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  15. Ernest Kimm Bangladesh

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    Many people have provided relevant links and comments related to my question. Thanks to this, I can better understand a lot of vaporizer. Thank you so much for not bothering me with stupid questions and for your kind words.
     

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