Vesuvio (E. Pozzi, Milan)

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  1. Willy Germany

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    I am a Newbie and my searched the Internet with no results. Can anyone help to identify this Lamp please?

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  2. Erik Leger

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    I'd say it is a Vesuvio lantern from Milano.
    But never heard of it or seen it before. I do not find it in Neils PLC either. @Mackburner

    Erik
     
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    "Thanks!" Erik, since I can't find anything about this lamp on the internet, I'm hoping for Italian lamp friends or someone who has already contacted to this lamp. Greetings to all lamp friends from the beautiful Münsterland.
     
  4. Mackburner

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    It's a new one to me as well. Interesting lamp and a great find. ::Neil::
     
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    "Thanks Neil!" but if you don't know the lamp, the lamp may remain in the "mystery" category.
     
  6. Carlsson

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    It's Italian, right?
    It will be moved there soon enough, but it would be good to know a manufacturer.
    Does it say "?.Rossi" (? not readable) before what seems to be an address stamped at the bottom?
    Aleast it seems to be called "Vesuvio", so we can use that for the title.
     
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    "Thank you Carlsson!" yes, Milano is probably the Italian city of Milan. I believe the word "Via" means street. But the Rossi could also be a Possi. I will carefully clean the mark on the bottom of the tank and also the type plate to see it better.
     
  8. Erik Leger

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    It's a guess only:
    There is a Via Rosolino Pilo in Milano.
    And Rozzi sounds more Italian to me than Pozzi.

    But... we have some names here
    Rozzi - Wikipedia
    and lots of names there:
    Pozzi - Wikipedia

    Erik
     
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    After careful cleaning with 500 emery cloth I read:
    VESUVIO
    MILANO
    VIA R.PILON1
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    E.POZZI
    VIA R.PILO1
    MILANO IMG_20230608_144347.jpg IMG_20230608_145610.jpg
     
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    It's a new one to me and that is a great find!:thumbup::thumbup:
     
  11. Carlsson

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    Moved to "Italy".
    The address is the same on the badge and the bottom of the lantern: Via Rosolino Pilo No.1 (Via Rosolino Pilo 1) in Milan.
    Possibly the name E. Pozzi at the bottom is a retailer? Looking at Google Maps, Via Rosolino Pilo 1 hardly is a place for a manufacturer. Looks like it could have been an office of some sort back then.
     
  12. Nicola Francesco Elia

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    Hello, a great find!

    Never seen in Italy.

    Via Pilo, n 1 Not “Pilon”

    I have no additional information, I will make some research.

    Nicola
     
  13. Nicola Francesco Elia

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    Ok, la Fabbrica Universal di Enrico Pozzi seems to have been in the late 1920 a producer of stoves and kerosene appliances.

    I have only found the trademark registration for the “universal” name, company name and also used on stoves.

    No trademark for “Vesuvio”. The lamp could be rebadged. It smells to me “Auer” like, that is also a possibility.

    Anyway here some docs:

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    Nicola
     
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    Hello Wilhelm,congratulations on your rare find :thumbup::thumbup:
    I'm glad to see that you've taken my advice and signed up here,the world's premier pressure lamp forum

    Regards Reinhard
     
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    First of all, "Thank you very much!" to all those who have looked, thought or even researched. I'm excited! "Thanks!"
    I disassembled the lamp into its individual parts and found no further markings. Only the nozzle (300th) has a Px, which probably stands for Petromax. The glass is probably not original because it is so flat and clear. Also on the burner was "Germany"
     
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    How quickly "knowledge" is lost and has to be laboriously brought back to light. Not knowing how the pyramids were built, OK 2000 years. But 100 years...
    Thank you Nicola for your research! At least the lamp is getting closer and closer to me, after which it now has an official name and the seller is known. I based my research on that. Like Jena, Auer appears to me to have been more of a glass manufacturer. As Conny C writes here in the forum, there were Auer companies that deal with lamps in some countries. Also in Sweden. My first thought when I saw the carburetor, mixer tube and air intake.
    I will clean the parts and put photos in here again. Maybe then we can see more.
    Thank you Reinhard for your recommendation! I would hardly have thought it possible to have made such big steps in 12 hours through great international cooperation. Not possible for me without Google translator. Please forgive my broken english.
     
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    Great info thanks Nicola. Yet another brand for inclusion in the PLC. ::Neil::
     
  18. Nicola Francesco Elia

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    @Mackburner my pleasure Neil.

    The full name is: “Premiata Fabbrica Apparecchi a Gas di Petrolio UNIVERSAL”.

    Nicola
     
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    Nicola. Thanks for that. Being rather idle in my vast old age I haven't written the PLC entry yet so that is timely. I will list it as Vesuvio as that seems to be the brand name for the lantern and maybe also as Universal but referred to Vesuvio. Should be in PLC 89 when I get round to perpetrating the next revision.::Neil::
     
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    After cleaning I found 1.5 more markers. I read "ETROMAX...IN GERMANY" on the upper part of the carburetor. The flanks on both sides of the lower part of the carburetor have been milled or filed. On one side I read "OR....and with a bit of goodwill...AX"
    Furthermore, I think it makes sense to stamp the tank bottom before soldering it in. What a hassle to stamp when the bottom is already in without leaving dents and scratches.

    Now I will clean further.

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    Vesuvio shines, or Vesuvius glows and heats up.
    When cleaning, an "IA" appeared on the nameplate. Anyone have an idea what that could mean?
    Unfortunately, the glass doesn't have a hole like a Hasag, so I have to take the hood off to turn it on.
    Hopefully there will be a little brother or sister.
    Have a good shining time everyone.

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    That looks to me as the remains of "Original Petromax"
    That handwheel also reminded me of Petromax, whereas the filler cap looks like early Optimus, and the air release screw looks like pre-war Hasag. A very interesting item, and good to see that it works fine now. Congratulations to that rare lantern!
     
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    "Thank you!" You Martin
     

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