Dear Colleagues, 1. I have two Petromax 2827 with different vaporizers lower part [part no. 153]. Could you please verify which vaporizer is from PX2827 and which is not? I guess that the one on the left-hand side is Petromax, but I am not sure – maybe both types are Petromax? If possible, please advise from which lantern is the second one and how to disassemble it? It seems that there is no “classic” eccentric nipple [107] to unscrew from the vaporizer lower part [153]. 2. The same question regarding fuel filler cap. It seems that the one on the right-hand side is from 2827. What about the other one? Thank you, Piotrek
@Piotrek First the easier answer: The left filler cap belongs to a pre-war Hasag. The right vaporizer lower part looks unusual, and I haven't seen one like this before. It somehow reminds me of the newer Austrian Phoebus 665M parts, but it is still different. But I would believe that it was made professionally. Mind you that these 2827 lanterns were mostly made shortly after the war in the old plants of E&G as reparations. So they needed to use what they got, and this part could be one of those, which was made up from any stock for the intended purpose.
@Martin K. I thought that these steel, green/gray PX lanterns were made during WWII for military use, not after the war. Could You (or anybody else) please share some more info regarding history of these lanterns? I have also two (as usual not complete...) 821 Baby Petromax, but they seem to be quite interesting- brass made and green painted. One of them has still visible "42" stamp on the bottom. I will make separate thread about them in CLP gallery.
@Jörg Wekenmann has searched various archives and found the evidence that these lanterns were (still) produced after the war. There is no document showing that these lanterns were made for the army. Perhaps Jörg would like to share some of his documents. However, there exist some lamp crates that contain similar lanterns, and these seem to date from the war period. The green painted brass lanterns are probably from the pre-war or early war period, when the use of brass or non-ferrous metals for household products was still allowed. I have one of these type 827B / 200HK with a yellow decal that says "Verwendung in Wohn- und feuergefährdeten Räumen verboten", which means "Use in residential and fire hazard areas prohibited".
Hello all together, as Martin already mentioned, a few years ago I visited several archives in Berlin which have documents of the company Ehrich & Graetz. In both archives together I was able to have over 1000 scans made. Not quite cheap but it was worth it! Here the cover sheet of a manual from 1950 which was produced by VEB RFT Treptow. The second document shows us a material list of the things needed to build a Petromax 2850. Greetings Jörg
Dear Colleagues, OK, so it was just my naive thinking that green/gray, steel Petromax were only WWII made Any idea when they stopped bulding these lamps? Piotrek
Hi Piotrek, the production of pressure lamps in the Berlin plant Treptow started again already in summer 1945!!! According to one source, it was stopped again in the spring of 1950, after the VEB Graetz-Werk was renamed VEB Treptow. Info Petromax der Fa. Graetz However, I believe that production was maintained until 1951. After production in Berlin ended, all remaining spare parts were sent to VEB Leipziger Werke. There, the parts were meticulously recorded and, as far as they could be used, they were incorporated into the production of the Hasag pressure lamps. Greetings Jörg
Hello, well I have the right vaporizer on 2827 (dark green, black enameled hood) and as well on a 2826. So for me is a genuine Petromax wartime vaporizer, made of steel. I agree they are similar to some I have on Phoebus 665 lamps, but they are not the same. Nicola
Hello Nicola, the Petromax lanterns that were made after the war in the old factory in Treptow were made on the old Greatz machines!!! One has repaired everything that was damaged by war damage. In a direct comparison, you could not tell the difference between a Petromax lantern that was still manufactured in 1943 (cessation of production of all German pressure lamp manufacturers!!). and one that was manufactured in 1945 /46. Later, when other sheet metal was used, yes!!! Greetings Jörg
Both lower parts of the carburetor are from Petromax.I also have two of them in my collection.One in a Petromax 2826 February 1943 and another in a Petromax 2827 June 1944. There are two different Petromax 2827 that differ significantly in all components.And I think when the Wehrmacht urgently needed pressure lamps,they got the lamps too.Also in 1944 and very quickly.Production cessation or not.
@Reinhard I have the same exact 2827 of yours (right one), using that steel vaporizer base. It would be interesting to understand if this “different” part was used on every 2827 of that type. Nicola
I only have one 2827 of this type.It contained no brass.I replaced the iron upper part of carburetor with a brass gasoline carburetor because it was not working satisfactorily.I also had to replace the pre-heater nozzle and the pump valve which were made of aluminium.The lamp is stamped 644 and the globe 243 K. The lamp shown on the left is probably a 2827 made around 1938/39/40.You can sea by the hand wheel and some brass parts.Also in this lamp I replaced the original (brass) carburetor with a gasoline carburetor. Also the paint is not original. Kind regards Reinhard
@Reinhard ok ok now I see the wheel and tank shape of your left 2827 that I was not recognizing as 2827. That is the “almost brown” tank with yellow front sticker 2827. Nicola
