Dears, I just got that Ditmar 581 with some additional stuff. One looks just like very old metal plate, but the other thing looks strange and lamp fits there between those handles quite well and can be attached when handles are turned up. It looks like some dish for alco heater to put inside but I am not sure. Is it possible that this strange thing/dish is part of some lamp set? Just do not laugh at me please all the best, Piotrek
Hi Piotrek. I'm not sure, but I associate this extra element with the top of the samovar. This recess could be the place for the kettle. And in general, congratulations on your purchase!
Thank you guys. Well, I do not know what are these stuff and why were presented together. Lamp combined with dishes... This is how it goes when you buy a lamp using mobile phone while kayaking.
Not exactly @JEFF JOHNSON I am so p... off on these dishes, because I was so intrigued about them that I spent 120EUR on lamp without the inner casing... It was almost impossible to verify that based on available pics, but I have not asked about it. I should have. Yeah, usually my spontaneous purchases have happy endings, but not this time. Ok, I will take an inner casing from 583 which are much more popular in Poland. This 581 has hood and shade in almost perfect condition and that will be a cool looking lamp. Nontheless I blame these dishes for my stupidity So that is the full story... all the best, Piotrek
Hello Piotrek, yes, spontaneous buys can be risky, but those dishes could be useful in the workshop for containing parts when you are fettling a lamp and perhaps the flatter one could be made into a top reflector for a small lantern, those are ideas anyway. Cheers from Jeff.
Dishes will fit my "workshop" because it is located on the corner of a family dinning table One day I would like to solder copies of small Ditmars/Hasags inner casings. I wonder when someone will start making such copies and selling them. Small Ditmars and Hasags are quite expensive, plenty of casings missing. There would be many many collectors interested in buying these parts. C'mon guys, I know that you can!
Below example of the homemade inner casing. It fits 300CP Petromax. It seems that it was done not by a collector, but by a person who simply needed that lamp working. Respect I have not gotten to that project yet and can not verify how that lamp/inner casing works, but most likely it should be just fine.
Hullo Piotrek It is a nice old lamp and good to have a Ditmar Is the reflector of the same age too? regards pb
Hi @podbros Lamp is nice but missing inner casing that I will have to get from my other Ditmars (worse condition and more popular model). I like that reflector a lot. It is not marked. I suspect that it may by original, because there is a similar small Ditmar currently on sale on E-bay (crazy price) with such a green reflector. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, but the reflector fits just right and looks really good. Lamp itself is from 1940 or 1944 (I am not sure about the second "4" marked on the tank bottom plate), so most likely the reflector is from the same period as well.
Well, that sounds encouraging about the reflector making the steel part of the inner hood is possible but the brass tube is not so easy.. maybe someone who makes curved brass trumpet tubes could help but where are these people? best regards pod
Definitely the shade belongs to the lantern, but not the brass dishes beneath it. Here are a few pictures of my Maximette 581 from 01/41 in a similar configuration: The shade is from another Maximette I acquired earlier, but fits perfectly that model too. I just restored it a few days ago at the Hytta gathering in Mittelhof/Westerwald. However. I need to remove some more rust from the support frame and treat it with some rust protection. Apart from that it runs really well and just needed a new needle (from Korea). Note that the inscriptions read “Made in Germany”, as Austria was part of Germany at this time (from March 1938 on).
Please note that the 583 was the gasoline / petrol version of that lantern, and early versions had a much thinner vaporizer and thus the inner chimney has a smaller hole and won't fit the kerosene / paraffin vaporizer and jet.
Dear @Martin K. Thank you very much for all helpful info. You are unfortunatelly right about the difference between 583 vs 581 inner casings. 583 has different and thinner jet, vaporizer and hole in the inner casing. So Petromax 150CP complete inner casing set will complete that 581. That one will fit 581 after small modification of J-tube lenght - I checked that out. Congratualtions on your another pretty 100cp Ditmar. It seems that you have a whole big family of these tiny lamps in working condition all the best, Piotrek
I doubt that. That is if you go for "original". The shape of the casing is different, the preston loop is horizontal and most of them are gasoline users. They have no loop at all. then there are also alcohol versions. Very thin vaporisers with shield.
@WimVe Mixing tube is to long so there is plenty of options to play with the air gap. It should work just fine. Fortunatelly there was one inner casing on ebay for 40$. Sometimes it would be cheaper to buy a complete small Geniol 150cp, but I do not like to damage complete Geniol just to get parts for HASAG or Ditmar lamps.
That's a good idea and I have done this successfully already 4 times. A few times I also had to cut the thread of the mixing tube a little further on both sides so that I could shorten the mixing tube sufficiently. The only drawback is that the 150 CP inner chimney will sit on top of the glass cylinder instead on top of the upper ring of the frame. So if you lock the hood you will clamp the glass cylinder. That can be avoided by slightly bending up the locking tabs of the upper ring of the frame. Otherwise the modified lanterns work properly after shortening the mixing tube.
I missed this post. I see you're repairing the Ditmar 581. It's a shame that there's no content inside, but I'm sure you can restore it using materials for the Geniol 150 CP. I'm rooting for you. Also, the mysterious pedestal is truly a mystery. But I like it because it makes a perfect stand.
Thanks @Camp numao The full new Petromax inner casing was ordered and it is on the way to me. From Japan @Martin K. - thank you for suggestions.
