Shed find

So is this an X100 with PL53 hood or is it a PL53? I'm still confused.



David S, can you see my blushes, I deserved that 'dig'.
Matthew, eat your heart out - will I wrap it now?

 

No thanks Jean, I've already got one. Keep digging you may find something for me.

With the PL 53 hood it is a fixed handle PL 53. With the other type of hood that lamp was supplied with (Part no. 449 I think) it was an EX100. I'll be waiting for my correction if I'm wrong.

EDIT: you eat your heart out Jean mines got the EX hood on it. Link to mine

 

I think it's either a PL53 with EX100 handle, globe holder and reflector or an EX100 with PL53 hood...

 

Pity Matthew, thought I would get shot of it. I don't think T-Cut will have any effect on this reflector, needs a miracle really. So if I put an AL10 hood on this does that make it an EX100?

 

Sorry Jean, AL 8 hood is the same as well (Page 49). Someone will have one I'm sure if you haven't already.

 

So have mine - both of them.

What's with the line of weld halfway up the tank? Mine have that, too. It also seems to be found on many war-time PL53 tanks. Perhaps Tilley couldn't form the tanks in the usual way and had to resort to making the domed part in two pieces...

 

You know I hadn't noticed that weld/solder line before. At a guess I would say that the steel isn't as easy to form into the deep bowl shape that Tilley required in one go so they made it in two parts and put them together. That's the only thing I can think of anyway.

 

The tank was made most likely during the war years due to brass shortage or it could be the EX5 tanks
and just using them up .
Also looks like you have the wrong gennie in it to short and going by the handle shape wrong vent also mismatch there .
Page 36/40 of the Tilley Bible.

 

Nice find!

yep the vaporizer is wrong...and the vent is later PL53....Very nice tho

 

Yes, I realised it had the wrong vapouriser but wanted to show it as found.

I too have noticed that line in steel tanks but just thought it was a war time thing.

 

Hi dave are you sure this is a weld line? seems odd if it is. I don't have one of these to check but maybe if you poke it with a screwdriver just to see if it is a line of solder I always assumed it was before. These steel tanks are tinned and I always thought this was a wipe line from this process not a steel weld but would like to now for sure.
pete

 

It's a real bugger to see, but it might be all in one. This is the best picture I could get inside the tank without my borescope to hand. Not sure why they put an extra crease around the tank though. The lower line is the base plate and the upper line is the extra one in question.

 

Photo of the red one is a Tilley .
Steel tank has the weld line,have another in shed
hanging up unrestored steel tank complete.

 

I noticed that same line on my AL8 and deduced that the tank was dipped to solder coat internal and external before base soldered in and heat from soldering of base created this flow line.(my theory anyway)
Jeans lamp is an `EX` 100 wartime production and has PL53 type hood
Graham

 

You are correct Matt!

It's a WW2., PL-53 with a one piece handle, the reflector may have been offered as an extra, Jeff.

 

I understood a hinged handle was a PL53 (with a glass globe wide flange on hood and wire guard) Pl52 with mica globe.

A Fixed handle was an EX100 with glass globe no lip on hood and usually a Reflecter wih clips as on Jeans lamp.(not always found with old lamps)

Graham

 

A late PL53 going by the book is a straight sides with a coiled handle which would be about the time of the steel tank so what Jean has is a EX100 wrong top assembly .
Also checked the other steel tank in shed the line only goes around half way looks to be a solder dip line then .

 

Ah but no. At least one example of the fixed handle lantern with PL53 hood has been seen with the decal still there stating the model is PL53. The model is therefore determined by the hood type not the handle. EX100 has a 449 hood and a fixed handle. ::Neil::

 

OK but is not a handle less likely but still a replaceable part like ,pump,pricker valve,etc .
Of course tilley may have been using old parts as with the X246b with X246 stud font

 

O dam that should have been 1961 X246A not X246B
Graham

 

This model was made during the second world war when everything was in short supply and it's a cheap version of the PL-53.

This lamp turns up more often with the PL., hood than it does with the EX., hood.

In my opinion, Tilley were using what they had in stock to fill orders, Jeff.

 

Just to confuse things further the hood on my lamp would seem to be brass with a bronze coloured finish (in very good order surprisingly) but the air buttons are made of steel.

 

Yes standard WW2 Tilley mix and match with bits of steel or brass depending on what came to hand. ::Neil::

 

Hello Jean, you may find that all or parts of the actual burner are also made from steel, Jeff.

 

No Jeff, I have cleaned up burner and hood and the burner is definitely made from brass. I only wish I could do something with the reflector but suspect it is too badly rusted.

 

No, not at all, Pete. I was going by a PL53 which sat in my lounge for a couple of years - that gave me plenty of time to look at it from a distance. Somehow, I just never got around to examining it closely and I've no real idea where it is now.

On that one, the line of whatever it is on the outside of the tank resembled a weld and I just took it to be exactly that. However, Matthew's inside view shows this line to be some sort of neat swage. So I'm not sure what's the reason for it looking different on the outside. Maybe it is some sort of solder 'tide-mark'.

To add to the mystery, an EX100 I have to hand looks to have a neat outside swage line in some places but much rougher in others. How bizarre...

My guess would be that's the unpolished chrome finish, which can oxidise to give that appearance.

 

Jean a good rub with wet& dry and paint with enamel as post 4355 Stu`s FL6.
Enamel can be baked as Neil said in a recent post and will serve well as long as it does not get too much heat

Graham

 

The shade dont look so bad on the pictures - no deep rust. It is possible to soda-blast it and get it enameled by shops like this:

http://www.danskemaljedesign.dk/galleri_numre.htm

I dont know how rare your lamp is in England but if it was here - I wouldnt wait a second.

Claus C

 

Claus, this a lamp which I would not consider spending money on as it isn't the kind of thing I would add to my collection. I intend just tarting it up a little before selling. Thank you anyway for the information.

 

Hello Jean, some of the WW2., Tilley burners are made completely from brass and others are all steel and yet others are made of part steel and part brass, it would have all depended on how much brass Tilley had at the time as most of the brass was being used to make ordinance.

If you are going to sell that lamp, then just give the reflector a clean and leave the restoration to the collector who buys it, the important thing is that the reflector is there, Jeff.