Hi I have read about Petromax her at CPL and thinking a bit about The letters E and G. I Think they stands for Ehrich And Graetz And G alone just Graetz. Can it be right? Then I Wonder if anyone wants to explain The dating,10 for example. Lucifer
Sorry, would you please explain what you mean exactly? E&G is for Ehrich and Graetz. G is for Graetz. A lot of confusion is caused by the globe which is still being made with the E&G logo, more confusion from lanterns which were assembled from parts... Erik
1866 Lampen fabrik Ehrich & Graetz OHG 1922 Ehrich & Graetz AG 1942 Graetz AG 1947 Graetz KG besides Graetz AG Graetz KG Changes to G when the produktion ceased in east Berlin and Graetz KG made their comeback. The war delayd the Change to G and Soviets did not Care to Change it.
The Petromax Logo of two seahorses holding the sun with EG was a registered brand logo. So it was a legaly registered part of the Petromax brand and cojld not be changed without re registration. It was used from about 1890 but from then to 1906 was always registered with a written trademark. The free logo was first registered to Ehrich & Graetz AG on the 25th February 1907. The registration was confirmed to Graetz AG in Berlin on the 18th May 1943. After WW2 the same logo with EG was registered to Graetz AG Hamburg on the 15th January 1952. Then the same logo but with just the G was registered to Graetz AG Hamburg on the 13th November 1953. This G Logo was then confirmed registered to Graetz VG mbH, Pforzheim and again in 1978 to the same company. The Soviets never had anything to do with Petromax. The company belonged to the Graetz family who after WW2 were in Hamburg. Production started again in the Western Zone with a new factory in Altena. Graetz KG in Altena did not own the brand name or Logo but the family did and when they started to make lamps in about 1950 they would have used the old EG logo until the new one was registered in 1953 so there are perhaps two years of Altena made lamps with the old logo. The company in Eastern Berlin was renamed as Graetz Aktiengesellschaft VEB and production was restarted perhaps in 1946 after the war damage to the factory had been repaired. This company was renamed on 4th February 1950 as VEB Fernmeldewerk Treptow and lamp production ceased by this company in March that year. So it is possible that in that short period there were Petromax lamps made which again would have used the old EG logo. Complicated stuff and most of the info is from the research of Anton and Wim. ::Neil::
Easy or hard makes no difference. All questions are good and require answers. The use of the logo on the globes is another matter as they were always outsourced. Mind you given the logo is a legal design I rather doubt an illegal one could have been used. However after the logo with G was registered it is possible the old EG logo was registered by another company. Perhaps for glass production? I don't know but the answer mighht just be out there. ::Neil::
I Think it is two dragons they have legs,claws and open jaws, tongues and wings. The end of The tails are just one line. The sun is in the background and they are holding a lamp Dragons are associated with fire.
I don't Think the E in the logo was a big problem as it should have been if the logo was written. I Think they change the logo in 1953 because it was more correct. I Think the logo on the globe are according to directions from Ehrich & Graetz AG.
No they are not dragons. They are Seahorses and we know they are because they were creatures that fascinated Max Graetz and he used them in his company logo. ::Neil::
I have in a sense already written that i do not know much about this. Now i have literally wiped out the lamp from my logo. I have seen the logo with the two seahorses holding the sun, and i can´t get the seahorses become dragons, nor the dragons become seahorses in the other logo. Maybe Max`s sons was not so fascinated by seahorses. If EG stands for the founders names in the logo, that doesn´t contradicts to the Company name in the same way as if the names was written in the logo. Now for a question that maybe i should have started with. I have just read about the issue of the letter E, is it already clear what the G stands for ?
Dear L, (What's in a name ?) Like already written E equals Ehrich and G equals Graetz. Both are surnames for different families. As for the seahorses: They are seahorses in original logo. But I agree that they changed during time into dragon's or even eagle's, But that is due to the ideas in every time period.
