Good to see that there are still collectable lamps out there. This one turned up at Katoomba NSW. In the shadow of the 3 Sisters. Interestingly it has a Wizard Hollow Wire Glass in it. You hardly ever see these with the glass in them. Even so who is to say that this is original for lamp. There are a few discrepancies in comparison to Wizard to make you wonder. There is a 20 mm difference in the ID of the section that sits on the base plate of lamp. The top of the glass has been ground down to remove what normally would have been the lip to attach to the Wizard HW. The top retainer was made out of the insert in the bottom of an Aladdin 1A. Looks a bit " Optimossy " Colin
Very interesting find. It is probably impossible to know what was "standard" on the GS lamps. How do you know the top comes from an Aladdin 1A?
I agree, mentioned that in 1st post. If the glass was original there would have been something similar. Where do you draw the line in original and fabricated. This is why I originally posted it in the " Discussion Forum " because it is not original, but it was moved to here. Not my choice but it was done. Colin
I agree with the move, particularly as you were clear with your part in the appearance of the lamp. As Nils says, who knows what was original with these lamps. But surely the only way we might find out is by having as many examples as possible in the same place (even virtually, as here) so that comparisons can more easily be made. Single lamps in individual threads in the Discussion Forum won't achieve that. They'll be separate and quickly drop down the list becoming submerged in the morass. No, what Christer did was absolutely right...
No arguments from me, I agree with you David on the more examples of a lamp / lantern the better understanding we have. I suppose it goes back to a request from the mods in the early stages of the Forum that only 1 example of a particular Lamp / Model be posted to the Reference section. This was reinforced by my posting of 2 Copper Kayen AP 2's, 1 original as found the other all polished up. The original was deleted to leave only the " pretty " one. At that stage I decided to let the Mods decide what they wanted to keep where. Hence the original posting and its position on Forum. As stated in 1st post not original and that nobody knows what was original with the GS Perhaps a clarification needs to be made so it is clear as to what is to be posted, how many and where. Colin
My tuppence worth - the more examples the better. It is often only through viewing multiple examples, that a particular view of a feature is found, and the identification of a lamp can be established. Also by multiple examples, what at first may appear to be a one-off modification, may turn out to be more widespread that first thought. Terry
I agree that the more examples the better. That way it is possible to see variations etc. Anyway, getting back to the lamp. Is it necessary to have the top cap on the globe? Will it fall off if it isn't there? I'm just thinking that there might not have been one originally, or at least when the Wizard glass was adapted.
I think you may have mis-read that, Colin - or at least misunderstood it's intent. As I understand it, the request was that only one lamp per thread was posted. So if you had, say, a Bialaddin 310 and a Bialaddin 315 you wanted to show, you would do so in two separate threads, rather than show them both together. That would be primarily for the purpose of 'filing' them in the correct sub-forum. I don't think the intention was ever to have just one exemplar of each model in the reference section. Apart from the fact that there's no-one here qualified to be the arbiter of what's the best example of any particular lamp, anyone would have to be out of their tiny mind to attempt to do so! And as Terry says, the more the merrier. I think Christer and Ross will back me up here...
Maybe that is the case David, I could never understand why only 1 Lamp / Model. As can be seen from the shape of the glass it is top heavy. In its use on the Wizard HW this is OK as it is suspended under the burner with smaller section to the bottom. On the GS application its a bit like trying to balance a pyramid on its apex. Not very stable at all, OK when left alone but try to move it and it topples over, definitely needs something to stabilise it. Another scenario is perhaps an inverse spider so to speak like on the wickie lamps This could be just an exercise in futility but I find the discussion interesting which is what it is all about. .... an expression of views. Colin
Thanks David! And it´s of course exactly for the reason you mention that it was moved. We want as many lamps as possible in the reference section, and especially rare specimens like this one doesn't deserve to vanish in the great anonymity of the other, non-reference, foras. That sounds very strange. I can't imagine that a thing like that ever was stated here. It actually goes against everything that this site is about! On the contrary: As often said, we need many lamps, also of the same models, in the reference gallery to be able to compare different variations and changes between years, etc. If two, three, or more topics will be of an identical model... well, that's no problem. The pictures taken will most likely differ so that one of the topics show a detail that the others don't. (That's also why we really would like people to take some more pictures, and not just one straight frontal shot with the globe left on. ) So, one lamp only of each model?! No chance that that has been said here. I would also guess that you are confusing it with the thing David suggest above. To mix different lamps or models in the same reference topic is not what we want, and posts might have been split to two (or more) different topics for this. That also sound very strange, and totally again against how it should be. An untouched, original item is always better in the reference gallery than a polished thing that some parts perhaps even has been swapped on. And this fact has also often been highlighted during the years, so I don't know what that Kayen thing was about. I'm sure it was in another context than what we talk about here.
I was just thinking that because you made the top yourself, you obviously found it without anything. That's why I was wondering if it would have been alright without. Any chances of some more photos of some of the details. e.g. pump, burner without globe, etc. Does the tank have the studs where an AP2 frame would attach like the other lamps shown in the gallery? Is the pump like a Kayen one?
More pictures of pump.Threaded at Pump knob, allows to lock down and seal the valve at bottom of pump tube. Colin
I'd forgotten that these burners were for petrol, so good to see a positive shut off for the pump. It is very much like a Kayen part but with a few small differences, knob with thread, different valve and straight knurling. Looks very proffesionally made so I'm tending towards the Kopsen (or supplier) idea for manufacturer.
Is this vapouriser/burner assembly intended for the use of paraffin/kerosene or petrol/gasoline? It looks as it is able to preheat paraffin very well, the pipe going down from the big burner head to the vapouriser makes me think that the use of paraffin should be possible...
The burner on these is a 1920s AGM gasoline type. It will not like kero. This table lamp is interesting because it uses a home grown tank but the handle and burner unit are clearly old AGM. I suspect these lamps were made around the late 1930s and pehaps into the 1940s. From 1938 AGM were in trouble with a very acrimonious strike in 1938 and a liquidated buy out in about 1942 ish. I think it is very possible that these obsolete AGM parts were sold off cheap either by a desperate management or a receiver and used in Aus to make a cheap product. If so those burners had been sitting in a store room in Albert Lea for maybe 15 to 20 years before AGM found a buyer for some of their obsolete stock. ::Neil::
Picture a bit confusing, it is the main feed from the tank. Burner assemble / generator resides on top. Any clearer? Colin
I agree with Neil that this is an AGM burner. It's a gasoline quick light version. You can see this burner in operation on Bob's lamp here . It was patented in 1916. The patent #1207031 is an interesting read. The difference between yours and the others I've seen, is a slight difference in the casting (above the mantle spigot) and the long control valve stem, indicating that this was probably made for your lamp. Is there a threaded hole in the top of the burner? If so, I suspect that this could have been there to attach a shade holder or possibly a vent cap assembly along with a mica globe as this seems to fit with the support plate that is currently on your lamp. It's all speculation though. I have a version of this burner which I will someday get running, after I find/make a couple of the pricker parts. Dan
Noticed the difference in the burners several years ago and yes there is a thread in the top of burner. Fixed the feed tube by brazing hold pressure OK. Problem with the feed to the burner, cannot get it to seal properly.The 2 GS Table Lamps I have have left hand and right threads with the gland nut in the middle. I can see why the 2 threads, just will not seal, leaks out the top thread. Will put it away for a couple of weeks before something major breaks. Colin
CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS IN THIS OLD THREAD. My purpose for posting this commentary here is to clarify a couple issues that were raised in the early days of discussion of these Quirk’s Victory lamps and lanterns. 1. The burner. The burner on Colin Mills’ table lamp, shown in post #15, is the Quirk’s copy of the AGM. The Quirk’s Patent (granted in 1922) is shown here: https://classicpressurelamps.com/threads/quirk’s-burner-patent-no-3904-1921.17861/ The original AGM burner patented in 1916 is shown here: https://classicpressurelamps.com/threads/agm-burner-patent-no-1207031-1916.17860/ 2. The globe. The globe shown on Collin’s lamp is original to the Quirk’s table lamp. Colin says above “...interestingly it has a Wizard Hollow Wire Glass on it... the top of the glass has been ground down to remove what normally would have been the lip to attach to the Wizard HW”. The glass is not a Wizard Hollow Wire glass. I have compared the two different kinds of glasses (as has @Anthony, see below) and the Quirk’s is made differently, and is much lighter - it is not a Wizard glass cut down to fit the Quirk’s (see also thread by @Anthony shown below). From left to right: Quirk’s; Wizard; Wizard. Some of these issues were discussed in this thread: Quirk's Victory Light Cheers Tony @Anthony @Nils Stephenson @Graham P @Lamp Doctor @Mackburner
