I just got Lucky finding this Globe lamp, but unfortunately it was electrified and that partly spoiled the burner. Here is a link to the Gallery: http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/7981 It is going to be rebuild, hopefully with CPL's help. I know Christer, Jukka and some other forces has Lux lamps and this Globe is not far from these. I do need to find out how the small-ish differences is ment to Work if I am to rebuild. Well Pictures says more than Word, so here I go: Picture, 1, here above shows the complete burner as I have it seen from the service-side, the left side. Picture 2, here above is as Picture nr. 1, but the left side. The link here below, shows Christer Carlssons fine Lux-burner: http://www.classicpressurelamps.com/forum/gallery/4/1349631092-b.jpg Comparing this burner to the Globe shows that a tube is missing from the upper dome and Down to the vapourising chamber/nozzle. If I use wrong Words here then please forgive me. I think I can manage to re-Mount the missing tube above but I have no idea where it shall be mounted at the nozzle/vapourizerchamber or what it shall end in. I believe inside this chamber there should sit a jet of some kind. If so - the jet is gone - but the cleaning-needle and arm for this is there and working. If there is supposed to be a jet in the vapourizer-chamber - how can that Work sideways then? because that is the way the cleaning-needle goes Take a look here of what I call the vapourizer-chamber: Picture nr. 3, shows the lower part of the burner. The big bell-shaped is the vapourizer-chamber. Picture nr. 4, below here. If you pull the string, you start cleaning the jet I believe and then this happen: Picture nr. 5, below here: The cleaning-needle and shaft is to be seen here de-mounted: Yes I know But I honestly think this lamp deserves to be saved and brought back to working state, as it is some of the most impressive piece of lamp-engineering I ever have seen on a 110 years old pressurelamp. Take a look at these details - they looks like they were machine-produced in the 1960's. Claus C
Then there is the upper doome. It is strange to Christers, while the Globe-dome seems to have a hole through the dome as to be seen here: Picture nr. 6, shows the Globes upper dome with a hole through made as origin. Note It is easy to see where the tube to the vapourizerchamber was cut from a start. Inside the hole through the dome, is the removed tube was to come out. You can still see the hole inside as here below: Picturenr. 7, Inside the hole comes the hole to the tube leading to the vapourizer-chamber. Note the tube-hole is scratched because the electrification demanded fishing after the Electric wire for leading it further on Down to the vapourizer-chamber. Is the upper dome ment to end in a uncovered hole . Worn-signs shows something was attached to the top of the dome in some way, but I have not the slightest idea what left a worn-mark on top. Here below you can see that worn-sign: Picturenr. 8, Upper-dome for the Globelamp showing wornsigns on top. Claus C
I feel for you Claus. It's a bloody shame that these essential parts was removed just to electrify it. It's obvious that the jet was mounted horizontal, which is very unusual. This means that it's hard to find any role model to compare with. As you say, the thinner tube from the vapouriser ball down to the jet is missing. I assume that this tubing ended with a simple, threaded holder for the jet just inside the bellshaped mixing chamber directly opposite the needle. My guess is that it wasn't much more elaborate than this, but it had of course have to "suck in" the air with the aid of the injector effect of the gas stream. That particular part is what's been removed in that jagged part of your mixing chamber. If you could mix correct amount of air with the gasified fuel stream, it doesn't matter that the jet is mounted sideways. The flame spreader should be the easiest part to make. I have no doubts that it was of the regular type these days, meaning a simple grid just squeezed down in the recess of the brim on your upside down turned bell which is the mixing chamber. It should most likely look like the grid I made for another lamp looking like this.
Well that flamespreadingpart sounds very nice Christer. It is awesome nice Work you made making that old one sparkle Again I think the jet is a smaller problem to re-build, the only thingy is to find a proper size jet. I ealier saw a topic here about jet-sizes, I think it was Martin K. that delivered a scheme, but I cant find it. That I would like to see again. 1, I can rebuild the jet and tube myself with a Little help from my friends. 2, The neat mixing-chamber you made is also possible to rebuild, I see now. 3, Last is the mixing of air Heree I hope to heat up the damaged area in the mixingchamber and bend back the metal to origin position. After that I just have to create more or less Space for air in some way, untill it burns nice, strong and blue. That sounds just like slave-work but to overcomeable. After digesting the horrors I believe that picture nr. 8, just shows violence from a gripper they used while fishing up the Electric wire. The marks looks new-ish. Here should be no problems if that is so. 4, I guess the hole in the bottom of the dome-tube is to be filled up . I dont know if it supposed to be there or not. That was where the Electric wire came out. It is to be seen here: Picture nr. 9. Should that hole just over the preheatercup be there Is it possible to get any type of jets for a 700 cp burner anywhere nowadays . If not, wouldnt it be possible to take a existing jet and maybe just drill a bigger hole - like on alcholburners jets My plan is to do something like that and Mount the jet in a block of brass so it is shiftable. If anyone have drawings of this burner I would appreciate a lot to see a the jet-section and air-mixing-section Gee if such a electrocuter knew what she was spoiling with her saw, pincers and hammer . She should be shoot at dawn with lukewarm goosecrap. But it seems a long time ago - take a look at this bulp: not exactly LED Claus C
Making a new jetsystem for the Globe, I can only use the clues the leftovers from the eletrocution has left me. And that is the cleaning-needle, to be seen here on the left: When I am looking at the cleaningneedle from the side it shows the base around the needle is risen a bit: and looking directly on the bottom around the needles base then I can see a ring around the needle as on this Photo: These marks is the only clues I have. The needle itself is apparantly broken of and only the shaft to the needle is left. If I am to make a imaginary jet fitting these clues, it should look something like this: The cleaningneedle is on top here and the imaginary jet is below. I have never seen such a jet before on lamps but only a gardenhose where a jet like that is ment for spreading/difusing Water. When the fuel comes out in the mixing-chamber from the jet - is the shape of the fuel then unimportant, as long as the right amount of fuel comes out Claus C
Wakeup-call here. According to this lamp is a piece of swedish engineering art and history and according to this: Then the train is leaving in 1 week, where I and a helicopter-engineer/mechanic will fix the burner. So if any of you swedish guys (or others) has more information or photos from the catalogue, showing the burners inside parts - now is the time to get influence. Elsewise the lamp will be mounted with homemade burnerparts produced after the clues left in the present parts and after the try-and-fail-method. Any suggestions for the burners inside is of course also wellcome Claus C
There aren't any further help in the catalogue. It doesn't show any spares etc., so all you got is the illustrations of the lamps, and that just look like your own lamp since we can't see inside the burners:
Well the enlargement of the last photo did actually help a good bit, because I can see how the angle is build just where the jet enters the mixingchamber. A little step closer towards originality Its a pity there is no spareparts shown in the catalogue. That would have been nice. Claus C
Well Claus, I'm not sure I like the tone and your implications in your post of 11-06-15 04:44. I can understand you are eager to restore this lamp and it is......even from Swedish turf... a very rare and collectible lamp you have got there and you should be lucky and proud of it. I can assure you.....you are not withhold of particular valued information of your Globe lamp because of us "Swedes" don't wanting to revile that information for any particular reason. If I (we) the catalogue holder/s have had a parts list or burner unit drawing of your Globe lamp you would of course have gotten it in the forum. But as Christer says exposing catalogue and other paper information is also a matter of courtesy of the original holder of that information. My experience of 15 years of collecting and restoring lamps has also been that of collecting papers and information of these lamps, burners, patents etc., and also in connection with other collectors. I have gathered over the years an own catalogue/papers collection which I have shared with fellow collectors that also in return have shared their information. I would honestly say I got more in return than that I put out myself , but that is the great thing about sharing; you are in a win win situation. One thing though .... you can't expect getting everything/something, if you don't put in something yourself. Everything is not available instantly on the Net. There are numerous of people dedicated to the love of lamps that over the years has gathered lamp related information. Some have bought these on eBay or other sources at different prices, some have spent time (vacation days) at libraries scanning catalogues and other information and others have gotten the information in other ways. The common thing here is that the information has had a price of some sort, money, time or connection, and haven't been for free. Sharing lamp information among lamp enthusiasts is great but everyone has to contribute if some way to widen the information and courtesy of the information holder must be obtained. Wakeup-call here........... Well a restorer needs several skills; one is patience. I have lamp restoration projects from 2007 still in progress..... /Conny
I dont expect anyone to run their legs of Conny. The wakeupcall is ment as written - now the lamp is to be restored and if anyone have further information or suggestions, then I would appreciate it. I already appreciate both yours photos and specially Christers work with the LUX and the shared photos there has been a great help for the restoring to come. It could not be done without the great knowledge here on the CPL. And the restoring is to come wíthin a week, now where I found the correct mechanic. No more - no less. The written Word always looks a bit harsher than the spoken and it is always a good thing not to put more in a written sentence than it says. There is no tone ment Conny. If I wanted to know about "the catalogue-guy" I would have asked, but I didnt. That in respect of his unknown reasons to keep his nice papers by himself. If I was given his name I would have asked through a PM by a copy of the papers, but I was not given his name so I am not prying around or try to interpret his reasons. I dont know and in respect I dont need to know. According to swedes. Until now it is only swedes (naturally) responding with information, therefor others is in ( ). Others could be the english and american with experience in larger hanginglamps and general varied knowledge in all possible lamps. I dont use 5-10 years on a lamprestoring myself, more 5-10 weeks. Else I store them. Getting a little selfcritic, then I know that I am pretty kean and alive in the short time I use bringing a lamp back to life. Like it or not. Thats how I Work and if someone with interest in this swedish lamp, (could be swedes) would or could add some last help, then the train is leaving as written. You dont have to ensure me anything Conny. If your interpretation of my words are that I might believe someone is holding back information, then you are misunderstanding or worse. According to that, I could also choose to read you words like you think I dont know lampers has put a lot of work in gathering information. But you and I both know that isnt true, as some exellent people here on CPL has done that above every sense. I respect that a lot as I can see you also do and I agree the CPL was nothing without those forces. I try myself to give a contribution back with photos of lamps in the flesh. So when you are talking about "you cant expect getting everything" then I certainly hope you mean in general and not me as a person. If you have any constructive suggestions to the way to build the burner then please let me know and if you have some information you would like to sell me, then send a PM and I will respect that too - just for bringing this back to topic. Claus C
Claus, I'm not trying to picking a fight with you, but my post is a response of how I felt reading your post. My interpretation of what you wrote was that you meant there may have been additional information of the burner of your lamp that was withheld from you from Swedish or other members of this forum for any reason and now was the last chance to come forward with it. That made me a bit pi**ed off and that is why I wrote my post. I may have misread your post and if so I'm sorry, and no, I have no further information for you of the Globe burner, and I wish you the best of luck with your restoration of that interesting lamp. /Conny
No problem Conny and thanks. I think I know what you stand for, so no hard feelings from here. I also see where the writing could be misunderstood and I will try to put in the quote a better place and be more or less clear in the future, though English is not my natural language. Next time I will try to add some smilies, but often it makes things look like written by a teenager to me. That I will gladly set a side to prevent the result of "how the devil reads the bible" By the way - there is supposed to be a lamp-museum in Stockholm, Elysium? I know because some swedes wrote about it in the Fotogenforum.se or here on the CPL years ago but I have difficulties finding it. Is Elysium also a museum for pressurelamps?, and if so, shouldnt they know the principles of a sideway-burner as on this lamp or similar systems?. Claus C
Claus, a smiley :- or a :wink makes wonders sometimes ! Maybe the person on Fotogenforum.se referred to Energihistoriska Samlingarna - Museum in Gothenburg. It is run by the power supply company of Gothenburg city and it seems they made a 22 pages booklet in 1993. Here is a link to a site with some photos of the museum collection. One can see some old electrical lamps there as well the carbide ones. I doubt there would be lamps displayed as the Lux or Globe lamps, or else I believe Christer would have told us. Edit too late Christer made a post just now /Conny
Never heard of such a lamp museum. I think you might be thinking of Elyseum in Gothenburg. That's not a lamp museum per se, but they have a bunch of old lamps hanging around since those are related to what they do. Jukka has posted some lamps from there at "Fotogenforumet", if I'm not mistaken. Like this Autolux, but also another large, unidentified thing.
That last from Jukka is exactly the right thread - man how I did search for that Interesting place - I stored in the back of my mind as something like a museum for lamps. Anyway it looks like visit worth. Claus C
