Tilley or Kayen hood?

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  1. Anthony

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    A question about TL*/HL7 hoods. There are hoods with internal springs and hoods with external springs, what goes with what?

    Is it a Kayen/Tilley thing or is it an age thing?

    Is there a difference between Kayen and Tilley hoods?

    Should I be calling them hoods or burners?

    The one on the top of the pic does not have springs but screws, is that an older one or a newer replacement one?


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  2. Gneiss

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    Galleries... the burner is just the cenral part with the three air tubes.

    I have one Tilley gallery with internal springs and another external springs... Originally I thought they were all external, but as they say you live and learn.
     
  3. David Shouksmith

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    Conventional wisdom seems to be that internal springs are pre-war whereas external springs are post-war. That's the sum total of my knowledge and it would be good to know more...
     
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    The bottom right photo - I've not seen the brass bush/nuts (or whatever they are called) like that. The ones I have are knurled round ones.
     
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    I'm not sure they are original Matty....
     
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    Bottom right will be older. Not sure of dates but internal springs, conical bolt ends and hex nuts is probably early 1930s. Top one looks odd to me. If that is Tilley then I have not seen another like that. Might mean it is so rare that I have yet to come accross one of course. ::Neil::
     
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    That's interesting David.

    Of course you are speaking of Tilley but Kayen remained with the internal springs and began, essentially, post war.

    Having said that, it may be that there are Kayens' out there with external springs, I just haven't seen them.
     
  8. Gneiss

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    Hi Neil, just to clarify, are you talking about the hex nut you can see on the air tube holding the burner in place?
     
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    Anthony.
    That top right one looks like it was a internal spring one but spring breaks and just drilled out the holes and fitted bushes etc .Soldered them in etc .Just my thought .
    Aussie handyman again maybe .
    Bob .
     
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    Have one same as the center one with screws holding the globe, don't think it should have a gap between top and lower half of gallery.
    Agree with David on flat springs though didnt know about pre/post war, I think I have one with coil springs somewhere.
    The air tube hex nut I haven't seen before.
    G.P
     
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    Matty, well done for noticing the hex nuts. As I took the pic I wondered if anyone would notice and if it was going to mean anything anyway.

    Gneiss, gallery, thanks.

    Bob not an aussie handyman solder job. The have been pressed in like a rivet is about the best way I can describe it. No solder at all.

    This is how I got them

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    I recently got 2 of these and I thought I had another but can't find it yet.
    One has this hole in the air tube the other doesn't.
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    Both without air holes on the tops,
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    They feel that little bit thinner material than normal normal. I guess they look older but feel newer if that makes sense.

    And thanks Neil, I will take the Kayen bug screen out of the early 30's gallery and put it on a TL10 with a GN control cock.
     

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    ...and here are my nuts.

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    Those air tubes with the holes look like the later air tubes that take the split pin but have been threaded using up old stock maybe .

    Bob .
     
  14. Anthony

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    That's what I was thinking too Bob.

    The gaps between the two halves of the galleries are the same on each and the cleats holding them together are tight with the top edges uniform all around.

    How do you like the shades that came with them?

    Not sure my self...
     
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    Anthony.
    Yes the shades look great to .
    Does the outer cover with no air holes come right down or is that the air gap to supply air to the air tubes .Looking at photo
    Bob .
     
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    the picture says it all Bob



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