Identify hanginglamp. Tilley?

Primus ??? Wiktorin??

Sorry for the poor foto, but thats all I got.

Does anyone here have any idea
It looks like there should be a large round globe in the middle as on the Primus hanging lamps, but the tank and garnish makes me think on the Wiktorin.
The lamp should be in fine state, despite the poor foto.



I laid the foto sideways to make it bigger to study. Sorry if I screwed something up.

Claus C

 

Not like any Tilley I've ever seen or read about. I don't think it's even a pressure lamp, is it?

 

I just wrote Tilley on top to make you English look too. Its not a Tilley --- or is it

I am pretty sure this at least is a gravity-lamp. Or a pressure-tank like the Lilors hanginglamps for gasoline.
The fuel runs down inside the stemms, suggesting a gravity to me though.

Claus C

 

Ah, good - since gravity and capillary attraction are both natural forces, I should be able to start a thread about my Tito Landi lamps here...

 

I'm sure I have seen something very similar recently, but I must look at hundreds of, sadly, mostly wickie lamps, a day flash card style looking for something to pop out.

It wasn't for sale, it was listed in a gallery, probably the Terry Marsh one, not that that helps much.

Now, about my carbide lamp collection...

 

No, it's not there. I'll scour my browsing history to see if anything jumps out.

 

There is some similaryties to this one here from the gallery:

http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/4633

Claus C

 

Sorry Claus, I just can't find what I think I saw.

 

Claus - Gravity lamps need a tank above the burner area, and there´s no tank on top of this, I think. If a donut you must have pressure from external or internal pump and connection from the donut tank to any burner, which I cannot see on this one.
Could be a hollow wire, but I doubt it; probable a gas lamp with the center tube/s going down inside the "lamp".

/Conny

 

I managed to get slightly better fotos from seller.
Here I can see the side-carriers is attached to the tank with a union nut. So the side-stemms looks like they transport the fuel to me. Elsewise I cant see a purpose with the tank on top of the lamp as on hollow-wire lamps.
The top of the tank is unfortunately not possible to see, but a pump-knob like the ex. Unic-lamps is possible to be fed with a external pump (bicycle-pump)
Then it is possible to see the burner and that also looks to me as a burner like the LUX in size - not like a hollowwire. It is big and have a collar probably with a mesh as flamespreader on top.
A big bulk is sitting on the side suggesting a air-mixing chamber of some sort

Or am I seeing ghosts here Conny ?

The lamps should be from 1915.



HighlandDweller, thanks for your search. If it shows up then return to this and lets see the thing


Claus C

 

I think it's a gravity lamp with a slim do-nut tank.
The two tubes going up above the tank can very well be a safety system similar to what Lux used on their Auto-Lux to prevent the tank to empty itself on the floor if the flame and vapourising process for some reason went out.
But the returning tube should probably be much larger then, so I doubt it.

 

....Hi Claus!
......What does it say on the tag riveted to the top part in the 2nd photo???...

(if you count the first picture it's the 3rd photo?)

 

Hmm I cant read the tag - but to prevent mistakes from my sideway-tilt of the picture, then the part with the riveted nametag is bottom of the lamp. The tank, doughnut, is on top of the lamp.
I should have explained from the start - sorry.

Claus C

 

I've re-oriented the picture and I think it is definitely a pressure or gravity lamp of some sort.

 

I re-oriented all pics before I drew my conclusion about it being a gravity lamp, as I suggested above.

 

.... The detailing on the tubes, just underneath the donut remind me of the snakes on the..'Rod of Aesclepius'......or... 'Staff of Hermes'..?...

interesting ...

 

Staff of Hermes hehe PB. Maybe it ís a former pharmacie-lamp .

I tried to fool around with the photos in my photo-optimizer and could see it was cyrillic letters.
The name of the lamp appears to be "светочъ" with some uncertainity, but it makes sence as it means "The Torch".

As Neil says then there is not many russian lamps, if it is russian, so I ordered it home and expect it to clear away all mistakes in app a week from now when she arrives

I can find absolutely nothing about "светочъ" , The Torch but it looks like they took something from the Lux Dof lamp and attached a tank. Or maybe Lux took something from "The Torch"

Claus C

 

...Yeah, yeah ..it was just an observational thing man...
...But this Cyrillic thing is a new twist Claus?...Quite a few countries still use it as the foremost or standard alphabet don't they?..

 

I dont know PB, but you are probably right.
When I wrote it in google translate the machine suggested also Bulgaria as language.
Searching the pages of patent, then nothing appears and I think that is because of the Cyrillic writings. I know the russians made the "Meteor". If you search that on google you get nothing, but if you translate it to cyrillian then the lamp shows up on the web.
I cant believe the russians didnt make more than one lamp (the Meteor), while it is/was a pretty practic and clever people, so maybe we have to search in another way when looking for lamps and patents over there

Claus C

 

Gravity lamp. You mis the centre body part.

It looks like a Graetzin 915 with the two pipes sticking up.

 

The two tubes actually do look like the innerparts of the Graetzin 915 WimVe , as seen here from your own site:

http://www.petromax.nl/Graetzin.html

BUT then I think similarities stops. The nozzle is pointing up on this, and not as on the Graetzin, down.

Then again, the top of those tubes could have been covered with some plating - but the lower part, around the nozzle, must have had glass - not like the Graetzin, hanging glass, but upright glass.

Claus C

 

Holy cow I got a giant lamp delivered by postman Pat today.

The lamp is 7 cm longer than the Globe Ljus and the burner looks like same size, 700-1000 cp.

I think this is the first russian after the Meteor, if the lamp is russian.

Here is the nameplate:



The burner is not for kids





If it is russian then it must be made before the revolution.

Well this is now my new fettling project

Claus C

 

... .......
.....Flippin' 'Eck Claus, Yuri Gagarin's gonna be after you mate!!!...

 

He and Louis Armstrong are still mad over Michael Jackson claimed he invented moonwalk - so I guess I have to look over my shoulder

I did try to transform the letters from the tag to something useable for ex. google. It looks like this:

СВЬТОЧЬ
Т-ВО СВБТЪ. С. П. Б
Прив. Nо 13369, 15319
5-ая Рождественская 44-12
Nо 10064

Any russian-people here???

Claus C

 

I don't speak Russian but Bing translates Рождественская (rozhdestvenskaya) as Christmas.

Henry.

 

Sure about Armstrong?
As for the burner Sergei Korolyev must be a suspect.

 

Thanks Henry - I can see too now, using Google picture-search.

A polish lamp-college is now contacting a russian lamper to get more information, and my polish lamp-contact says that lower part of the tag is a adress. This type of adress is written in a very old way and this type of "way" dont exist anymore.

JonD Of course I know the difference of Louis and Armstrong - I just quoted your own brittish Ali Gee

I strongly suspect the lamp from the period before 1915 and the russian you refer to is later I think, around 1940-50's ? If he was working on rockets-like.

Claus C

 

So my helpfull polish lampcontact Bury, came up with nice information, still a lot of questions left.

You can see the thread here in English:

http://lampycisnieniowe.pl/forum/Thread-C%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87b-probably-russian-lamp?pid=11618#pid11618

Claus C

 

Well Claus, I am looking forward to see the finished project! Will be great! (but thirsty by the looks (size) of it )

All the best,

Wim

 

Hi Claus,

I found this image/drawing of what seems to be a very similar lamp to the one you have. This "Saloswet" lamp was manufactured in St. Petersburg Russia by the "Swet" company.

/Conny