You can substitute for Coleman fuel

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  1. onafest Italy

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    I found this fuel to light the charcoal in the barbecue.
    It reports on the label: naphtha (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy EC NUMBER 265-150-3.
    (The smell is very similar coleman fuel)
    Do you think it is a possible substitute fuel coleman?
    I want to prevent my lamp and me make a big bang?
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    Greetings
     
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  3. jonathan fairbank

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    Hi,
    So, there might be a cheaper alternative to Naptha possible somewhere ? I hope you're right and there's another viewer able to add their thoughts on this; as I know very little about hydro carbons, but just buy the Aspen Naptha brand, from the local lawnmower centre & have always just used this in the petro lanterns.

    Sorry that I cant add any thing valuable or useful, though I did check the Link out, which downloaded (it had me lost, the first paragraph ](*,) ); but there's some proper fuel scientists within CPL, I'm sure someone might come forwards & hopefully work out, if it's good enough stuff to burn through a mantle.

    (Hope so, as a cheaper fuel is always good to learn of) :thumbup:

    Jon.
     
  4. HighlandDweller

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    No, it won't burn very well in something designed for coleman fuel, it should burn in something designed for Kerosene, but I wouldn't really recommend it.

    'Naptha (Petroleum) Hydrotreated Light' is what you're looking for.

    HD
     
  5. Martin K.

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    I have been using charcoal lighter now for several years as a cheaper replacement for kerosene/paraffin without any problems. It doesn't smell, burns clean and without too many residues in the vaporizers. However, it may be unstable when left too long (1-2 years) in the tank, especially in brass tanks. It happens to become a smelly greenish sauce which must not be used any more (under no circumstances, neither in pressure lamps, nor in wick lamps). It will then immediately clog the vaporizers/wicks with a sticky brown gunge which is very hard to remove. Therefore it is recommended to empty the tank before a longer storage time of the appliance.

    As a replacement for coleman fuel I did some promising tries with brake cleaner (without acetone!) which is basically the same like benzine / petroleum ether / cleaning solvent / wasbenzine (in dutch) or Waschbenzin (in german). No problems to report so far. Many of my fellow collectors here in Germany use dutch wasbenzine in large quantities, Many of my fellow collectors here in Germany use dutch wasbenzine in large quantities, and noone has reported of any difficulties so far.

    BR, Martin
     
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    Coleman Fuel is just one sort of us:gasoline uk:petrol de:benzin consisting of :
    naphta light CAS 64742-49-0
    n-Pentan CAS 109-66-0
    naphta hydrogenated CAS 64742-48-9
    with a boiling tempetarure of 40C to 156°C (104F-313F) and a flash point of -7°C (20F).

    In also contains some additives (data sheet from 1994 for the US market):
    0.2oz per 1000 gallons "pyalchrome green LX6406" (=green color)
    0.39 oz per 1000 gallons "automate green I" (=green color)
    1.0 oz per 1000 gallons =alox IB46 inhibitor" (rust inhibitor)

    If you do withoput the additives you also can use a simple ligroin type of us:gasoline uk:petrol with a boiling limit of 80°C-110°C. (175F-230°C)
    see: CBR Information

    Every dealer who sells these fuels is required to hold the product data sheets (at least in the EU) and provide the information upon request.

    Erik
     
  7. HighlandDweller

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    jontibank, as you are in the UK 'fast panel wipe' is likely to be the cheapest source of fuel suitable for lamps that use White Gas or Coleman Fuel.

    £12 to £15 for five litres.
     
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    Wasbenzine (Hydrocarbons, C7-C9, n-alkanes, isoalkanes, cyclics, EC No 920-750-0) is very similar to 'Naptha (Petroleum) Hydrotreated Light' (CAS# 64742-49-0)

    Still using CAS description and numbers here, most of Europe use HSPA name and REACH EC number. Can get confusing.

    Wasbenzine is so cheap!
     
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    I have been using Panel Wipe from an autopaint supplier at £12.95 +VAT for 5 litres, but they are 23 miles away. With the VAT it is £15.54. I can get Aspen 4 for £18.49 including VAT from a garden machinery store 3 miles away. Swings and roundabouts. Just make sure with panel wipe that you buy the Naptha version, NOT the water based version.

    Terry
     
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    Terry makes a good point about the newer, greener, water based panel wipe.

    Most places will recognise that you want the solvent based panel wipe if you ask for 'fast panel wipe', but if you feel unsure or they seem unsure, they should have a Material Safety Data Sheet on hand which will confirm the contents.

    You're right about swings and roundabouts Terry, for the price you pay for Aspen I can get 5L of Panel Wipe delivered to my door, but I can't buy Aspen 4T locally for less than £20.
     
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    After looking at that Type 3 white spirit in detail I would be happy to use it in a Kerosene appliance routinely.

    The other grades of white spirit I'm not so keen on, OK if you need something to burn in a pinch.
     
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    ...and so unavailable in this part of the world. :-&
     
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    I have used a great deal of Wasbensine which we bought whenever we were in the Netherlands. A tedious game because the shops don't stock a great deal, typically around 6 to 10 1 Lt bottles, so it involved spending a day hunting supermarkets and cleaning out every one until I had around 50 litres. I still have some left and it is by some way the cheapest. Not sure what the ferry company would have thought about carrying such a large quantity but I thought it best not to worry them about it. I have also used panel wipe and Aspen. I have so far not found any practical difference in peformance so I assume these products are all more or less the same. It is therefore a question of cost and availability. My nearest Aspen stockist is about 50 miles away. I seem to live in an Aspen black spot. Best deal was 4 x 5 lt cans of PW from the Bay at around £8.50 each and that was delivered at a total cost of around £40 for the 20Lt. ::Neil::
     
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    You can console yourself by remembering that Heating Oil is even cheaper! :lol:
     
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    Aye and I'll bet that £8.50 Panel Wipe had 'Does not Ship to Highlands and Islands' on the listing! :roll:
     
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    Price you pay for living in a place favoured by the Gods. I still can't understand why my ancestors ever left. ::Neil::
     
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    ...and even more useless as a substitute for Coleman fuel. :-& ](*,)
     
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    Well, I suppose every petrol-fuelled vehicle on board would have had an average of around 40-50 litres of similar volatility fuel in the tank so your little extra wouldn't really have made a great deal of difference if the sh!t had hit the fan... :whistle:
     
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    I may have overlooked that point... :whistle:
     
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    Back in the sixties every motorcycle that the I.O.M. Steam Packet Co. shipped to and from the Island had to have the tanks drained of fuel for the crossing.

    That was fun - and profitable for some!
     
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    I have deliberately not looked but I know back in the early1960s you were allowed a full tank of fuel on the channel ferries but not any in spare cans. That was a pain because the Ford vans I was driving only held 4 1/2 gallons which was not enough to reach Basle and since French petrol was over twice the price of both Swiss and British that was serious. We used to hide a 20Lt can under the tents on the roof rack. ::Neil::
     
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    DFDS - no fuel in cans.

    Brittany Ferries - no petrol but can take 20 litres of diesel.

    LeShuttle - 30 litres petrol or diesel

    P&O - no fuel cans even empty.
     
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    Condor for Channel islands a few years ago was declare what you have. Seemed to be whether they liked your face Y/N.
     
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    With Condor it is up to the Master's discretion. Having said that, they didn't allow us to take two 5L jerry cans with diesel on board (and in a SWB landy there aren't many places to hide it...) so you can assume that if you ask, you will be told "no"!

    Of course with Condor it's even odds if the fast ferry even sails (far better off on the old tub).
     
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    Lawdy lawdy, this fuel/ petrol alternatives & ingredients, sure gets complicating ! I can buy the Panel wipe from a Car Auto paint shop down the road, but checking up all the new comments nicely added in this post; the info left has forewarned me to be careful, as there's a useless one (water based) and a Naptha derided version !

    I wouldn't have known that, I'd best ask the owner if he stocks or even knows the difference; I bought some 1 part liquid lacquer from there recently and it came with a bottle of dilution, to help prevent brush dragging. On opening it, it smelled just like Aspen 4T naptha, but haven't dared trying it in a lantern yet and WILL keep postponing that particular idea !!

    Will ask Trevor at the shop for the material safety handling data, he'll know what's what, bound to; but I'll see if his eyebrows jump, when I ask for 'fast panel wipe' first ?!

    I'm glad I chipped in here, nice one all' for the extra information; I'm hoping I'll be a fiver better off, if what's on the shelves there is naptha based. I'd best go find & fetch some . . ..

    Jon.
     
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    When I first bought panel wipe and asked to read the label on the can. The guy asked if it is for stove. He said it is the right stuff as they sell a lot for stoves.

    Re ferries - I'm sure quite a bit of fuel travels in containers marked 'screen wash', 'olive oil' and 'detergent'. Banning the carriage of fuel in the correct containers designed for the purpose doesn't remove any risk, it just encourages people to improvise with less safe containers, thereby lowering safety standards.
     
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    No, Jon - you use the water-based version as a fire extinguisher if you have a flare-up with the naphtha-based one... ;) :lol:
     
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    Huh ! Me no understand, . . . but I do see the funny side of it; if anyone does happen to have the water based stuff, maybe's best to test if its volatile or not ? It could possibly go up or be slightly flammable; who knows, weirder things have happened !

    Just might be for artists, brush's and tackle clean ups, or diluting water based paint mediums, that mightn't shift easy enough with just soap 'n water ?

    There's always Google though, will have a gander on that one; as it's sort of interesting knowing its proper usage ? . . . .

    Jon :thumbup: .
     
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    The water based stuff is pretty much just there to reduce the VOC used in auto paint shops. It's not really aimed at any other market. It's water, a little bit of Isopropanol, detergent, anti static additives and something to break down silicon.

    Slow panel wipe is usually >90% Naptha (Petroleum) Hydrotreated heavy.

    Fast panel wipe is usually >90% Naptha (Petroleum) Hydrotreated Light.
     

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