Well, I know we don't do eBay normally, but the lanterns aren't rare ones - not Tilley, either! Here and here.
I think he only sells the boxes and the Silley lantern. Looks like miniatures to me. Anyhow, I feel disgusted when I see items for sale with the German type of swastika on them. Best regards, Wim
Aye, maybe you're right about them being miniatures, Wim - you couldn't send that little lot for only £2! I thought eBay didn't allow stuff bearing the swastika...
David: I went to look at them again, to ry and see if they were scale models and there was an e-bay notice that the items have been removed. Paul
I thought they looked like the battery powered lanterns that are sold for camping use. They are a bit smaller, but still tries to look like real lanterns.
Which is one of the reasons why we don't do ebay - even if they aren't pulled they always become dead-links eventually. I can only guess what this thread is about.
Which is why I put eBay in the title, so that it could be removed by the Mod team in due course. I think that's as per the rules here, isn't it? Don't worry, Ross - no-one missed anything important i.e. lamp related - which is why I posted it in the open forum. I don't mean to cause anyone any offence, but this is what it was about:- I reported the items to eBay because they infringed their listing policies. For once they seem to have acted swiftly - probably thought they were real...
Hi David, Look at the image lower on this page, right side. Panzerschreck rockets Even if they are phoney or inert, they look the same. The "Potatoe Mashers" look authentic as well. Bob
Yes - they looked real enough to me at first sight! The seller has re-listed with a similar photograph but not showing the Afrika Corps symbols - a stylised palm tree and swastika - this time... Item No. 290600230172
I have a M-98 8mm Mauser that my Uncle Fran bought back from WWII while he was with Patton's 3rd Army. Other than the fact that the stock was "sporterized" the metal is about 98%. The bore is PERFECT. It didn't have many rounds through it. But it has the "Eagle Swastika" cartouche stamped in the barrel at the receiver. From what I found here Reichsadler symbol it is the "Reichsadler" symbol. Probably a "property of" denotation. Bob
Bob, I wouldn't be surprised if you see a Waffenamt number in combination with your Reichsadler stamp. The Waffenamt was sort of an authority for approval of material to the army, and the number might give you the place of manufacturing for your Mauser, but also the period. E.g. WaA135 could mean that it's from Oberndorf and the last half of WWII. Check it out, and let us know what it says. Or post a picture of it! Hopefully some of our German members can fill in here if I got something wrong, or so. I only have a few of items with WaA numbers, and luckily two are lamp associated! It's carbide lamps for the army. Made out of bakelite, and quite nifty with a set of coloured glasses and restrictions in a special box with other spares. The WaA-stamp is really tiny. It took me some time to find it at the lower part of the retainer at the backside of the lamp:
Here are the best closups I could get. The flash would wash out the images so I did a light from the side to try to highlight the stamps. Bob
I found out from this site Firearms of the Wehrmacht that this Mauser Karbiner K98 was built in 1943 by Gustloffwerke with a serial number 1821. Ja Wuhl! Bob
Nice, Bob. As so many other military cartridges, this one used to be- and still are- quite popular for hunting moose here.
Hi Christer, I have shot this at targets with the iron sights. But my eyes aren't what they used to be so all my hunting rifles have scopes. I get a fuzzy image of the rear sight. I refuse to alter this piece in any further way by drilling/tapping for scope mounting. Factory ammunition for 8x57 Mauser is limited as far as bullet weights. This is what I have used so far. Winchester 170 gr Power Point I did find that the original full metal jacket ammunition was 196 grains. I need to measure the twist rate of this barrel to find the optimum bullet weight for it. Most likely this will sit in the gunsafe stored as a piece of history. Perhaps brought out for "special" occasions such as a "Schutzenfest" when all my hunter friends get together for some range time. Bob
Yoy'll have to think outside the fence Atleast our own Swedish Norma has some good factory ammo for the 8x57. You can see it with some of their most popular bullets here. Don't take any notice of the designation JS for the cartridge. For some reason the German IS became JS here in Sweden. I have no idea how this ammo will behave in a military barrel, though. There might be some surprise. I know our own good old 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser can behave strange if you use a pure military rifle with hunting ammo.
I found this place in the USA that sells Norma ammo. Norma 8x57 ammo but as luck would have it they are "out of stock". Check out the price for the .500 Nitro Express. "Field artillery" costs $$$$$$$ !!!!!
Oops! Well, that's a lot of brass! I mean actual brass for the shell... you know, with the copper prices of today. Well, seriously. It's a hell of a price. And that's just for 10 cartridges, not the usual 20. Not a thing to go plinking with at the backside of your house.
I definitely don't want to start the debate, but I just can't imagine what it would be like in this country if half the population were armed with rifles and popping them off randomly like that. Doesn't bear even thinking about it, but I suppose it's just what you're used to. I genuinely shudder at the thought of some of the a-holes around here having easy access to guns...
Hi David, RESPONSIBLE owners of firearms practice GUN SAFETY to the Nth degree! No ifs, ands, or buts! In New York a 24 hr Hunter's Safety Course is required before a license can be obtained. That's 3 days, 8 hrs/day of classroom instruction followed by a written test. No pass, no license. The three "biggies" are "ALWAYS treat a firearm as if it were loaded", "ALWAYS keep the muzzle pointed in a SAFE direction.", and "ALWAYS be sure of your target and what is behind it." Now this doesn't take into consideration the JACK ASS who doesn't follow safety protocols. Just like those driving cars. There's always someone that shouldn't be behind the wheel. Then there is the psycho. No one can protect you from them, except yourself. I'm not going to take this any further. But I have MY thoughts on "self protection". Bob
Yes - it was the jackasses I was thinking about. We seem to have an increasing number of those in our society, as evidenced in Manchester just a few days ago. Interesting that there's a 24 hour course in NY before you obtain a gun licence. The impression of the US we tend to get over here is that you can walk into any gun store and buy just about whatever you want over the counter. Obviously wrong - thanks for putting the record straight...
Hi David, It's not a "gun license", it's a "hunting license". It teaches the basic firearm safety protocols for firearm use and "sportsmanship" for the ethical harvesting of wild game as well as the conservation laws with respect to what and when you can hunt a particular species. To buy a "long gun"(rifle/shotgun) you have be minimum of 18 yrs old and go through a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives background check that gets called in. There are forms to be filled out. Once BAFTE gives the "green light" the shop owner can sell the firearm. This is only at the retail level. Handguns the minimum age is 21. Private sales do not fall under this background check. This is where a lot of ILLEGAL sales take place. You cannot be a convicted felon and own/possess firearms or ammunition. You cannot have an arrest for "domestic violence" either. But if you lie on the form and get caught, that's a FEDERAL CRIME. In New York the process to obtain a concealed carry or any other permit to own/possess a hand gun requires you to just about jump through your own bung hole. You are investigated to the Nth degree. It's requires fingerprints, photographs, 4 character witnesses, and a squeeky clean history. I'm in the process right now of obtaining one. I turned my paperwork in last April. I'm still waiting for approval. It takes generally about 6 months for all the processes to get done. Finally you have to go before a judge and HE/SHE gives the final approval. In NY EVERY handgun owned has to be registered on your permit. Get caught with a handgun without a permit in NY and you are JAIL BOUND. But all states are not as stringent. Some only require basic ID such as a driver's license to purchase/possess. Then the "Brady Check" which is the BATFE backround check. "Creepos" slip through the cracks or lie on the forms. The "Carry Concealed" issue is a REAL "hot potatoe" over here. Recent events where PSYCHOS have shot up locations and killed several people spawns the "If I had a concealed handgun, maybe I could have stopped them." thinking. Maybe, if you were proficient in the use of said firearm. Many people buy handguns for "self defense". But they buy it and put it in a drawer. They never learn the skills involved on how to defend themselves with it. It usually gets taken away from them and USED ON THEM. Some states require a course on handgun use before you can possess one. That includes the legal aspects of when "deadly force" can be employed. The law is VERY clear about the aspect of "defending your life". Your "English Common Law" of "A man's home is his castle" applies here in New York. If an intruder is INSIDE your house and means to do you physical harm, that's when the "SHUCK SHUCK" sound of a pump shotgun gives them a "choice". Flee and live, or stay and die! On the outside with a concealed carry handgun, it must stay CONCEALED. You NEVER draw it, unless you are going to USE IT. You better have a GOOD reason for drawing it, like imminent, life threatening force. That fact is made abundantly clear. It's a HUGE responsibility that shouldn't be taken lightly. That's why it's not for everyone. As for the possession of firearms in general and the argument that banning guns will stop crime. HOG WASH! The fact that CRIMINALS don't get their firearms from "usual" places is the argument that banning guns will "stop crime". There has been a lot of blogging over here with respect to the occurrances in your country and the fact that you folks aren't allowed the degree of firearms possession that we do here in the USA. A lot of talk with respect to shop keepers being able to defend their property from looting mobs if they had a gun. That's a slippery slope. If a thug was about to bash your head in with a club I'd say that's justification. But someone is stealing a TV off your store shelf, that might not go so well for you. But I'll bet if you were standing in the door with a pump shotgun in your hands, they might think otherwise to be busting into your place of business. The only thing that might work as well would be a 140 lb Rottweiler on a short leash. That'll get your attention too. I guess stating that I'm "Pro 2nd Amendment" is an UNDERSTATEMENT. The founders gave us that right for a reason. Whew! My fingers are tired. Bob
Thanks, Bob. There's actually very little there I'd want to disagree with and certainly nothing I'd care to debate in public, particularly here. As you know, my sister is currently living quite close to you in Pittsford, NY. She's never mentioned guns so I guess it's not an issue for her - I'd have been told if it was, believe me!
Yes, it's not unusual to go outside to shoot now and then here. I did it myself just the other day to test out a new ammunition, but then you must have in mind that when saying "go plinking at the back of the house" from my point of view is in rural areas. I would be just as intimidated as you if someone should do that in a village/town like yours, or any other area where you disturb people OR don't have the suitable surroundings to do it in a safe manner.
Hi David, The reason your sister never mentioned anything about guns is because of the laws in place. It is a Pittsford town law that it is ILLEGAL to discharge a firearm in the town of Pittsford. Just like it is illegal to do it in the City of Rochester where I live. This is due to population density. There is a New York state law that says you cannot discharge a firearm within 500 ft of a structure or dwelling without permission from the owner of said structure or dwelling. This being said the shooting club I belong to was established in 1923. We have both outdoor rifle/pistol ranges and an indoor pistol range. We also have archery ranges, both indoor and outdoor as well as a "3D" course for archery hunters to shoot at life size foam deer/bear targets. This club when started was in a "rural" area. But with the advent of "suburban sprawl" we now have "neighbors". The outdoor ranges shoot into a natural 200ft tall bank of sand. But due to insurance reasons we have had to build "NO BLUE SKY" ranges. The 200yd rifle range has a covered bench area. Over top of the bench area is 32" of rough sawn lumber. 15 ft from the cover is a 20ft tall 12" thick concrete block wall that the cores were poured solid. There are 12 portals in this wall that are roughly 4ft x4ft. In those portals are 1" thick angled plate steel "deflectors" that can swing open or closed depending if the shooter is shooting from the bench or standing position. On either side of the bench area there is a 15ft high earthen burm. So basically there is NO WAY a projectile can leave our property. Now, our safety protocols. We require new members to undergo a 3 hr safety training seminar along with a written test so that THEY KNOW what our rules and regs are. Each range has a "range safety officer". Usually a member volunteer for that day. NO ONE goes down range to inspect or hang a target until a "clear" is called for. When a clear is called ALL shooters must empty chambers, actions open, magazines removed. Then a buzzer is turned on. When that buzzer is on ALL shooters must step back behind a painted line on the floor away from the shooting benchs. No handling, cleaning, fondling, or whatever of a firearm takes place as long as that buzzer is sounding. Once the range officer has confirmed that all parties are behind the firing line, the buzzer gets turned off. SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY! We have a cluhouse with a bar. But once you've had your first drink, you've fired your last shot for that day. No guns in the clubhouse either. Because our neighbors are so close we have outdoor range hours too. Monday through Saturday, 9AM to sunset. Sundays 9AM 'til Noon, rimfire only. Noon 'til sunset centerfire can be used. As for the noise. It nas been taken to court more than once. It boils down to "We were here first!" The courts agreed. But we still do our level best to be "good neighbors". So shooters can coexist with the community. As long as we do it SAFELY. Where I hunt on my friend's property out in the country we built our own 100 yd range. We shoot into a burmed area where the targets are. but even there, SAFETY is paramount. The whole concept was instilled into me at the age of 14 via the Hunter's Safety Course when I was old enough to legally hunt with my Dad. 14-16 you cannot hunt unsupervised by someone 18 or older. Now they have dropped the age to hunt under supervision to 12. I don't know about this one. But if the precepts of firearm safety are DRILLED into those young minds, it may be OK. It seems that most of the hunting accidents you hear about are with older "experienced" hunters. Guess they forgot the "teachings". Oh, the guns around kids issue. I knew without any mental reservation that when I was a "kid" that if I went into the locked cabinet where my Dad stored the guns without his permission, my farts would be smelling like shoe leather. REALLY! The days of the nice glass front cherry wood gun cabinets are over. Firelined gun safes are just about required now. Just to protect from theft mostly. Plus most insurance companies won't cover firearms in the event of a house fire. Maybe $1000 worth of replacement. Hell, that's one decent rifle with a good piece of optics on top. I have a friend in Texas that when he built his latest house, had an armory built into the basement with 10" thick reinforced concrete walls and ceiling. You can buy the vault door by itself. But last count Jimmy had what amounts to about $500,000 worth of firearms. A few Krieghoff and Perozzi over and under shotguns, Shiloh Sharpes rifles, and antique Colt revolvers will get you there in a hurry. I guess we Yanks fancy an old beautifully engraved firearm with a gorgeous piece of French walnut for a stock just as much as a piece of fine art. But that picture on the wall won't get your dinner if need be. Neither will that Aston Martin, unless you want to have to mend the front end after hitting a deer. Oh, he fancies lamps too. I started that "bug". Bob
