Hello everybody, I just purchased this Columbus 141 from Spain. The interesting thing is that this lamp uses the Radius 141 conversion kit completed by a collar that seems built just for it, so maybe a partnership between Columbus and Radius. This lamp looks original and coming directly from the Columbus factory (in fact it is model 141 and I don't think it's casual) if there was one, but I guess so because in Spain is easy to find many Columbus donut lamps in the Petromax style. I am still waiting to receive the lamp, so these are some pictures from the listing. I will document it better when I get it. Nicola *Edit: picture below added afterwards. Original pics were hotlinked from eBay, and now expired.
Interesting and a conundrum. This lantern has a Spanish label but uses the same logo that was registered in Italy by Beniamnio Vautier in 1940. Vautier also used brand Astarte which was registered also in 1940. Some Columbus lamps have turned up in Italy marked as “Columbus Fabricato in Italia” but there are Spanish lamps marked as AKABA which is a Klaebisch brand and this one by S. Bonino at the address I have for Klaebisch. So far the evidence suggests Columbus were made in Italy and retailed in Spain but were they? Are they Spanish and only retailed in Italy? ::Neil::
I'd like to know by Radius experts if they could recognise the fount as well as Radius product or not... I suppose it is a 4 hands made lamp, but maybe it's been completely produced by Radius? Nicola
The filler cap and pump knob are not anything I have seen from Radius, so my guess is that the tank is not from them. From the collar up is definitely Radius. The question is if it was a collaboration or some resourceful manufacturing.
Hi Nils, sure collar looks like one from a Radius 119, but the top flat border for the conjunction with the 141 is something I have never seen. So if Radius produced the collars for this lamp this would have been a collaboration in my opinion. Nicola
@nep036 Hi - the images you linked were hotlinked form ebay. They have now been deleted from the ebay site so are also missing here. If you or anyone else saved the original images please post them here & I'll re-add them to the original post. Always worth using the upload feature so the images are hosted on the forum - using 3rd party hosting sites or especially hotlinking auction images risks the loss of reference info here. Thanks
...at the risk of infringing someone's copyright, potentially. I've contacted sellers in the past to seek permission to reproduce their images here - once the auction's ended, naturally, unless it's a BIN listing...
My understanding is images from a public online auction site like ebay used for reference such as here are fair use. I'd link source but with auctions a bit pointless.
Yes, I'd agree absolutely that it's 'fair use' so, for me, it's just down to plain courtesy. If I listed something on eBay, I'd be happier to be asked if my images could be used for reference i.e. non-commercial, use and it's also nice to be acknowledged. Having said that, I think the reality is that once I post anything on the interweb, I've lost control of it absolutely and for ever...
Hi, no problem, the lamp is in my possession since that day so I will make new photos and update the post. Cheers, Nicola
Simply this. The section I ringed above is an explicit statement of the site's expectations with regard to the use of its resources by third parties. Since the site is a respectable one and its members are all reasonable people, we cannot expect others to behave in a certain way without behaving in the same way ourselves; that is to say, the statement defines our own conduct, too. In fact, that's enshrined within the sentence immediately preceding the ringed section - which is exactly what I said earlier:- I'm not sure why I had to clarify all that but there you are...
That conflation is not so clear cut for me. The trade material used in the context of this site it is classed as fair use. Despite that, we ask that such submissions are respected due to the contributors willingness to share, often after a fair financial outlay obtaining it &/or time researching. As the host of much hard earned material from members it would be remiss of me not to have that statement. Articles - copyright is clearer cut. The statement is primarily aimed at other similar sites & groups populating their content from here. Something that has happened before. To my knowledge I have not refused permission requests for appropriate use of my mateial. If not mine, I asked original contributor for same. I am usually offered a link back to source, which is nice. I occasionally see material from here (but mainly CCS) posted on other groups by way of answering a query etc without permission & consider that fair use, especially if source is cited. Ebay & similar sites - while I have asked before using pics from auctions, it is a courtesy, albeit an unnecessary one as it is fair use.. If I get permission I will acknowledge it. If I get no reply I will still use but cite source eg Ebay. That is primarily to prevent confusion over ownership. I have no expectation or requirement of others to seek that permission.
Realistically, I would too - as I said above, "Having said that, I think the reality is that once I post anything on the interweb, I've lost control of it absolutely and for ever... " Yes, it's nice to be nice...
Aye, not really disagreeing with what you say but the post with 2 words, 3 dots & a screenshot seemed to imply some sort of hypocrisy.
Not an answer for the original posting, but from the aftermath discussion! I agree with Ross. Having something copied from an open commercial site on the Net is not to be compared to having something copied from a non-commercial site like the CCS or CPL. Not that it can't be done, but the CPL calls for a membership to get access to certain pages of information in the Lamp Reference Library, where members have put information they may have invested considerable amount of money to get hold of. Nonetheless it is easy for eBay sellers to use the open pages of CPL and nick whatever images or information they want, to promote sells for themselves on eBay. Happens all the time and also for me! So why bother so much about the eBay sellers? Another thing is lamp info among lamp collectors. I think we ought to try to give credit to those who contributed with valuable lamp information, when called for. A lot of overall lamp information among collectors has a tendency to be "public", no one knows the original source for it. So please try to credit members that has original lamp information or own research done, no matter if it is "mainstream" or controversial. The more that comes out, the more we learn. /Conny
Nicola, the post you made of yours used eBay images, and those are long gone! Can you add some new photos of your lantern to this topic? If you do, just post the pics as a reply here, and I will move them up to the first post.
@Carlsson Hi, unfortunately I exchanged that lamp with a friend collector from Japan, so not anymore in my hands to take new photos Nicola
