Does such a glass size comparison chart exist? Has anyone started a spreadsheet on the subject? I went around my outstanding projects last night, and apart from my P1020 there didn't seem to be any readily available glasses advertised/available for them. I've measured approx sizes and was planning phoning Basecamp to pester them but thought I would ask here first.... I think it would be a worthwhile exercise to start a spreadsheet! Hytta.de has been of some help. Alec.
I’ve not heard of such a beast, either... but I’ve thought about it, because I’ve been on the hunt for obscure glasses (eg for Australian Gloria lanterns). It’s a complex and multi-dimensional set of measures: Shape: cylinder; bulge; etc Length; Width; and in some cases inside and outside diameter. Then there are the oddities like the hanging lamps. Some manufactures’ lamps (eg Coleman, Primus, Radius) could have been done already, or will be relatively easy to do. Others will require a fair bit of work. But I think a good first cut might be to ask Members, by a pinned thread, to contribute to a first-cut of a data base. We could start a “Post your glass size here” thread where we could ask Members to clearly identify: Make; Model; Year (period); Glass Dimensions; Photo. It would also helpful to include glass dimensions when posting lamps and lanterns in the Reference Gallery. Tony
What about shades? Someone did make a suggestion some time ago that we should have a separate section for shades. I would definitely like to see that.
I agree, Jean. But shades are an even more complex beast as they were often made by other companies than the lamp manufacturer. None the less, putting known shade dimensions in with a lamp in the Reference Gallery is a good start. Cheers Tony
Jean In revisiting this thread, I like your idea of having a distinct section in the Reference Gallery for lamp shades. Cheers Tony @Jean J
That would be a very handy reference to have available, not just for dimensions but also the availability of replacements when you have a match. I have a few lamps I need to 'find' a glass for and finding something would probably speed up the fettling process.
A lot of our members collect lamps and for them I'm sure a section on shades would be great! (Right, Jean?). Could point out that lantern manufactures as a rule did not produce their own globes. Coleman, for example, relied on Pyrex for their globes. Petromax and Aida relied on Schott and Putzler (Indifferent). My worn two cents worth.
Aye aye George, that would be great then I could drool over all the shades I could never hope to own as well as the lamps they’re on.
This is a splended idea. I have some information to share but with an ordinary post it will probably disappear among others. I believe most members has a lamp missing the glass or shade. If we are able to create a list for all models and information with measures etc. would be great. Bo
Has this idea progressed? There are charts around showing Coleman globes or Globes that fit this or that but they do not always give sizes, (some do), which should be especially easy for cylinder globes. The advantage of seeing a chart that says something like this (for example) cannot be overstated: 3.5" W * 4.25" H (Coleman ABCD1234, Vapalux XYZ89) [Straight cylinder] 3.5" W * 4.50" H (Primus 2345, Handi 4567) [Straight cylinder] Obviously with metric measurements as well. Would allow you to go down the chart and find out if something existed or was close. I am chasing 120mm W by 140mm H globe and looking at sellers charts that show 18 different codes for a make are useless. I know a few charts that exist for a specific brand do include sizes like I have indicated and they are great if you are chasing that brand. The idea discussed in this thread is definitely worth pursuing and I am happy to assist. Thanks
I've made a start on the globe data in a spreadsheet... This is a screenshot of what it looks like so far. Basically, this is just the sizes of what I've got but if anyone wants to add to it, they can send me their data. Alternatively I can send a copy and you can add it directly and send it back. When it's complete - although it probably never will - it can be made available somehow. Colin
Great idea Colin, I never got round to it I'm happy to contribute though! BTW: X246, the earlier 171's (Pork Pies only as far as I recall, TBC) have a deeper lower skirt. The side height and diameter remain the same at 76mm (3") High, 114mm (4.5") Dia and with a 52mm (2") bottom hole. Deep Skirts are 25mm (1"), and make an overall height of nominally 96mm (3.75"). Shallow Skirts are 17-18mm (11/16"), and make an overall height of nominally 90mm (3.5") I say nominal, sizes confirmed from 4 examples of each in my collection Alec. @Nils Stephenson , some Scandinavian input would also be excellent
Had a look through some of mine. Tilley: X359 needs the short-skirt 171, otherwise the skirt hits the preheater. SDR Rijkswatch- 117mm D x 117mm H Primus: 1020, 1320, 1321, 1080, 1081 - 121mm D x 121mm H 991, 391 - 89mm D x 106mm H 1001, 1050, 1051- 134-136mm D x 132mm H 980, 981- 112mm D x 116mm H 1001 Mica - 136-138mm D x 128mm H, 8-Pane. I have a few mica shades for Primus/Tilley/Coleman/Lind-O-Lite etc but they are pretty battered and are not the most reliable for sizing Alec.
Some Bialaddin &Vapalux data: Vapalux: H70 glass is 98mm D x 123mm H with 22mm dia hole 17 mm from the bottom edge. Used on the E41 & 300 lanterns and the HD44 and "HD41" handlamps. Discontinued early 1945 and replaced by the V60. The V60 glass appears to have been referred to as the E60 between 1946 & 1958ish. V60 is also used by the M1 & M1b lanterns. The first cup type glass used on the 310 and table lamps is the T5, the second version (with the bottom profile shaped to sit on the frame) used on the 315 and 320 is the T305, becoming the V305 after 1968 when W&B reverted to the "Vapalux" brand. Although the T305 will fit the 310, I've heard that the T5 doesn't properly fit the later lanterns and using one risks cracking the glass. Hope this is useful.
Quite a bit of the USA production shades have been covered in the D&D LanternWorks shade guide that was published last year. One of the values in that guide is I’ve found 2 shades that were only shown in black and white catalog images. It also shows shades you’d never believe are GPA. Here’s one and I’d love to know if their are more out there. This is AGM from their 1912 catalog. the 1933 Veritas catalogue shows a bunch of European examples. Though I have yet to find the Veritas Pressure lamp catalogue. as fierce as competition is for finding 90-110 glass many lampers are reluctant to publicly share their secrets.
