Veritas P350

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  1. tpereboom

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    Hi there,

    I'm new here so i hope i'm doing things right.

    I have this pressure lamp i bought about 20 years ago on a fleemarket in my hometown. It served me well when i was still an active member of the scouts movement.

    Recently i rediscovered my lamp after a few years of not using it. I always used it with white gas instead of kerosene and still think it should be. But after reading this article: http://www.petromax.nl/petromax_tale/petromax_myth.html i want to make sure i'm not using the wrong fuel.

    When looking at the lamp a little closer, i notice a rather small priming cup and the lack of a "generator ring" around the mantel (like my "anchor" kerosene lamp has). This seems to me that the supposed fuel needs little priming and little heat to gassify. Can someone confirm please?

    I also would like to know who made this lamp. What manufacturer, model etc.? I can't find any text (other than close on the control knob) or obvious clues at all.

    I'll describe some more details of the lamp.

    If you look at the last picture you can see that the nozzle (tube nearest to the center) enters a slight s-shaped tube. This tube runs down to just above the control/on/off knob and functions as an air inlet using the venturi effect of the fuel nozzle. The fuel/air mixture then ofcourse goes to the mantle. I noticed that if the packing of the control knob leaks this lets fumes get into the air-inlet and nearly suffocates the lamp. Is this a safety feature?

    In picture 4444 you see a wire lever. The lever probably moves an off centered axle. I can not see this without completely dismanteling the thing. (It's not run by a toothed rack like the optimus stoves have because i can turn it around endlessly). This off centered axle then moves a needle wich runs or should run through the nozzle. The actual needle (only the thin piece of wire) is missing though. Is it meant only for cleaning the nozzle or is it for adjusting the light intensity. When turning it nothing happens. The control knob only shuts the lamp off when closed, no adjusting.

    The nozzles hole is very small (gasoline instead of kero?). I have a manual cleaning needle lying aroud with "made in sweden" on it that's way too big for the hole. Can anyone hint me on how to replace the needle or what materials i could use to make my own (i'm thinking of a wire from a wire brush ore something)?

    When i bought the lamp it had no handle and no glass. I replaced them with a bucket handle i bent and a coleman glass. So these are not original.

    Tim

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  2. Mackburner

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    These are odd lamps and we don't know who made them. They were made for the Dutch military or civil defence and appear to be a sort of Veritas 350 but modified with an American style pump and burner. The parts used actually look very like AGM bits from the 1950s. They were supposed to be kerosene lamps but they will not run on that and have to be used with gasoline. In fact better to use a naphtha such as Coleman fuel, Wasbenzine or panel wipe.

    Like most lamps of this type there is no adjustment. The needle is a jet cleaner only and the control as you say is on or off.

    The jet hole will be about 0.007" I can't remember if the needle for these is replaceable or if you will need a new generator complete. It will help if you can give us an image of the generator and of the pricker rod and needle carrier. I think it may be possible to use a Coleman generator in these but that rather depends on how the pricker rod is connected to the cam follower.

    You may be able to make a new needle but it has to be about 0.006" which is much smaller than a wire brush needle. Best way is to take a Tilley wire and grind the end to fit. Easy enough to do but you need a steady hand and a little practice to get it right. I do them with a Dremel running at about 18000 rpm and an oil stone. Trouble is you canonly make a short needle like this because any whip of the end will break the fine point. That can mean having to butt join the new needle to the old rod. Better to find a new generator if possible.

    ::Neil::
     
  3. Juan

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    I find the tank and valve very similar to this lamp:
     
  4. Mackburner

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    Yes it is but have a look at the Veritas gallery. These lamps are modified versions of Veritas 350. Mind you we have no idea who actually made them. ::Neil::
     
  5. Bob M

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    Hi all,

    This lamp bears a striking resemblance to an AGM 3470 in many ways. In particular the size of the vaporizer tube and the shape of the preheater cup. The valve knob, frame collar, even the air pump are just about identical. The frame and ventilator are where the similarities end.

    Bob
     
  6. Mackburner

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    Yes these are a hybrid made of various bits and I don't even know which country they were made in. The Veritas bits suggest Birmingham England but they could be from anywhere. They might even have been cobbled together in Holland. What I do know is they never do what they were made for which is run on kero. ::Neil::
     
  7. tpereboom

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    First of all thank you all for the info i've gotten so far. I can see the resemblance and the differences between the lamps mentioned and mine.

    With the new info i've been surfing the internet and found this on a dutch collector's website:
    Veritas model 350-350CP
    built ± 1960/1970 left civil
    design and right army design
    supplied by Ametagro N.V.
    Amsterdam-The Netherlands.
    Fuel kerosene.


    The picture thats supposed to go with it is no longer on the internet :( . On the dutch part of the website he states that the fuel needed is "benzine". Here in holland kerosene = petroleum and petrol = benzine. Quite confusing sometimes.
    I'll try to contact the owner of the site for some more info. Maybe the company name Ametagro N.V. rings someones bell.

    I've also tried to replace the pricker needle but no succes yet. I'll post some pictures of the pricker rod and the jet later. It could take a while before i do, but i hope i can make some time soon.

    Tim
     
  8. paul m

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    Hi, If it has the same pricker as the Veritas 350, i have some unused spares, PM me with your e mail and i'll send a pic....Paul
     
  9. pressure4me2

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    Hello

    I got exactly the same lamp for free.

    It was partly assembled, complete ?, but the glass was smashed.
    It was a very thin? glass, .9 ~ 1mm, outside 120mm ? x 120mm ?
    A Campingaz glass XL fits ??

    The very small hole in the jet is blocked.
    Since this is my first pressure lamp, my question: is the generator complete , “The needle is a jet cleaner only” “ the needle for these is replaceable “ ? something, the needle ? is missing ?

    Thanks Ben Bakker

    PS I have added a few pictures.

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  10. tpereboom

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    Hi Ben,

    I don't have the lamp at hand right now, but it looks to me that all the parts are there. The needle tip seems to have broken off, just like mine. The lamp works fine without the needle though. I only had the jet clogged once.
    I replaced the glass a very long time ago so i don't remember what i replaced it with. I think its replaceable by one of the standard spare glasses from coleman. The glass i use now is slightly too wide but functional.

    Groetjes,
    Tim
     
  11. tpereboom

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    I've had an idea on things to use as a replacement needle tip.
    In accupuncture they use very fine needles in different thickneses.
    Or maybe insect pins, also available in different sizes.
    Could one use one of these as a pricker in a pressure lamp?
    And how should i attach it to the pricker rod?

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  12. Nils Stephenson

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    I have also thought of using accupuncture needles as they are stainless steel and available in various thicknesses. Like you I have a challenge in how to attach them. Any ideas welcome.
     
  13. Claus C

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    This is a Veritas P350, spot on. I even comes with the same box as mine NIB was in, with laminated instruction-papers.
    The paint is just burned of and the stickers are gone.

    http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/5921

    Claus C
     
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    ](*,) ups, the shown lamp is a gasoline-burner, Veritas P350, so it is the wrong box you got with the lamp, as that is for the kerosine-lamp, Veritas 350.
    The correct box should say "Lantaarn Benzine-vergasser Breekbaar"

    Claus C
     
  15. Mackburner

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    Yes I agree this is a P350. Quite a different burner unit to the 350 and a different generator although it may well have the same pricker rod and needle arrangement. ::Neil::
     
  16. Oscar Peterson

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    Hello,
    Never on this forum Until i began cleaning up my garage. I found the Veritas 350 unleaded fuel lamp usd by the dutch army. The glass is missing, and before i throw away the lamp i would like to try to find a replacement for the glass. Has anyone a suggestion tip?
    Thanks in avance
    Oscar
     
  17. ColinG United Kingdom

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    The glass, (often called a globe) is very rare indeed for these lamps, but if you are seriously thinking of throwing the lamp away there are many people on this site who would like to 'catch it' if you threw it their way - me included! Being very serious, please don't throw it away as it could be very useful for parts or as a restoration project for one of us (me!)
     
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  18. AussiePete

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    Welcome @Oscar Peterson to this forum from Queensland Australia.
    Maybe you will get some satisfaction in finding a new globe and restoring the lamp to running order. You may like this fascinating hobby, there is plenty of help and advice on the forum.
    Cheers
    Pete
     

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