How to lit my Tilley flood lamp?

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  1. fredand44

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    Hello guys!
    I might have got some help from you a couple of years ago. But some things got in between of my attempt to lit my Tilley flod light.
    How ever I tried it to night. But I think I did everything wrong.
    Afterwards with some help of google I understand that when I should lit the lamp I should not have any pressure in the tank. But what I do not understand is how do I then lit it? What will burn If there is no oil to lit?
    In my case I pumped I couple of times then I lit the mesh-thing with a candle lighter and it more or less started to burn. On the backside I before opened the valve a bit. I put the fire out by closing the valve. Unfortenately I found some leaking oil around the valve. so it might be some problem as well.
    What do you think guys?
    Best regards
    Fredrik

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  2. Matthew92

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    Hi Fredrik @fredand44 , you need a preheater like this one here. You soak it in methylated spirits, or a burning alcohol, not sure what you have available in your country. It's clipped on to the vapouriser below the mesh mantle and lit. This burns for around 2-3 minutes and then you can start to add pressure to the tank.

    The problem you are having by the sound of it is that you aren't preheating, so you are just burning liquid paraffin like an old wick lamp only much more spectacular. :lol:

    Hope that helps you, but be sure to ask more questions if you need to.:thumbup:
     
  3. MG

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    Looks impressive in the picture though.
     
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  5. fredand44

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    Hello guys!
    A couple of questions.
    1) I will just need one preeheater, right? I do not need a new one each time I will lit the lamp?
    2) Do you remove the preeheater when the lamp is lit?
    3) What do think of my suspicius leakage? Is it common with leakage or might it be that I had pressure in the tank even when it was not lit and it camera out the naturual way?

    Btw I will provide a new photo, but below the mesh-thing there is two small small bowls. Could that be something for the alcohol, instead of a clip-on preeheater?
    Best regards
    Fredrik
     
  6. MG

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    Yes just one pre heater which should last until the wick needs replacing,

    I remove the pre heater when my lamps are lit, although none are FL6,

    Have you serviced the lamp?

    Maybe someone has fitted a spirit cup which would do away with needing the pre heater, just fill with meths and let burn for a few minutes, i light my lamps when the flame is still halfway up the mantle in case it doesn't catch straight away.
     
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    @fredand44

    1. Have you serviced this floodlight? If you have a leak at the control valve it will not operate properly, and could be dangerous. You need to ensure that you seals are working properly.

    2. If you have serviced this floodlight, then the control cock, the packing nut or the vapouriser might need tightening to stop the leak. Don't overtighten.

    3. You need to preheat once (2 minutes) if it's well sheltered from the wind; more if not. Make sure you use enough methylated spirits for a good preheat. You can leave the preheated on the vapouriser until you need it next time.

    4. You need to preheat the vapouriser every time. It needs to be hot enough to vapourise the kerosene (turn it to gas) - otherwise you will be lighting liquid kerosene.

    I'll find you a link that might be useful.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    @fredand44

    In my post above I talked about the control cock. This is a different lamp, but the control cock is similar and there is a picture of the components. Make sure you seals are not hard:

    Tilley TL106 (second version)

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Not that it matters but i believe it was only the X246B's that needed the two gland nut washers just in case only one is available.
     
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    Hello Guys!
    Thanks for all your time and help!
    -Tony it looks I do not have enough permissions for your last link.

    Below I provide some photos, is this a preeheater with two small bowls, or else what could it be?

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    I also notice that it is pretty loose, since I can move it up and down
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    The two arms that go through the reflector is also pretty loose if you compare the following pictures
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    What do you think guys do I already got a preeheater and are the system not fitted togheter right since some parts are movable?

    Btw
    I have not serviced the lamp. Right now I do not know where to do it but that might be a good idea.
    Best regards
    Fredrik
     
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  12. Carlsson

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    You have a preheater that probably will work.
    However it's a preheater that's probably derives from a Primus blowlamp, but it will still work.
    That it moves up and down doesn't matter much, even if it's possible that it by accident can hit the burnt in mantle and destroy it. Not so likely on this kind of lamp though. It's not the kind you turn upside down by accident as you can do with a lantern...:lol:

    The burner is loose on these lamps.
    So what you are doing on the last two pics are just simply lifting the burner from its seat on the vapouriser. It's normal for it to be as loose as this.
    If the air tubes was unscrewed, you would have been able to lift off the burner entirely since the tubes wouldn't have stopped the upwards motion as they do now when they are restricted by the reflector.
     
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    @fredand44

    As @Carlsson has said, that preheater should work. Fill it with methylated spirits (methyl alcohol) and burn it. Follow the lighting instructions given above.

    If you become a subscriber you will be able to access the link.

    Best regards

    Tony
     
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    Send me a PM with your email and I will mail you the instructions for an FL6. Probably answer most of your questions. ::Neil::
     
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    I am in doubt about the pre heater.
    Most of the ehat will not be at the central vaporizer.
     
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    In theory yes. But in practicality it will still work, even if it doesn't look as good with a centred flame.
    I have tried similar setups. It will still get hot enough around the vapouriser.
    And the sheer amount of alcohol if the cup is filled well will mean that the longer time it will be lit compared to an original torch will compensate for the theoretical disadvantage about not being perfectly centered around the vapouriser.
     
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    You have a point there.
     
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    Hello guys!
    Could I ask you @Carlsson is methyl alcohol same as "Rödsprit" since I guess you speaker Swedish?
    Best regards
    Fredrik
     
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    Japp. Ärans och hjältarnas språk är mitt modersmål.:content:

    Methyl alcohol is not the same as Rödsprit. Methyl alcohol is the same as what we call Träsprit, i.e. metanol (methanol).
    But I think that perhaps you are thiking about methylated alcohol (spirit), shortly called meths?
    If so, that one is the same as our "denaturerad etanol", and "Rödsprit" is one version of it, and is also what most people use for preheating.
    Personally I use clear ethanol that I can get from my work.
     
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    Just catching up on this thread, lots of good advice above. I found a couple of Youtube clips which should help if you haven't fired it up before now ?!

     
  21. fredand44

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    Hello guys!
    Thanks for all help, now I think I got hang of how to use it. Btw I fell in love with it at once. But I acctually thought the light would be brighter.
    1) first I heat it up with some "rödsprit".
    2) before it stopped burning I opened the valve.
    3) then I gently increased the pressure. I stopped when the flickering sound was gone.
    4) after like 10 minutes, I closed the valve.

    It feels really good to see it burn.
    Again, thanks for all help.
    Best regards
    Fredrik

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    @David McC , thanks for these youtube clipse, they explained it all!
    Best regards
    Fredrik
     

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