Identify hanginglamp. Tilley?

Thanks Conny . This is the closest I have seen to the one I have .

The lowest part of the burner is the same, and the burning-princip is the same.
The biggest diffenrence I see is where the lowest part of the tube from the tank - goes in to the burner. I dont have the opportunity to shut of the fuel here as on the "Swet".







The "Swet" carrys the same shape of tank and screws to attach the bottom plating as mine so these two lamps "know each other" in some way.

I actually did find a old Sct. Petersborg map from late 1890 made by a englishman in my search for the adress: 5-ая Рождественская 44-12 but the map wasnt detailed enough and as Henrys picturesearch - only christmastrees appears .

When I translate the "СВЬТОЧЬ" then sometimes the Swetoch, Svtoch or Svitoch appears - close to your discoverys name Swet.

I actually did go in to the Polytechnische Journal - but didnt find anything

I wonder how old this "Saloswet" is? I dont doubt my lamp would be same age as details of materials, solutions and burner is almost identical.

The best part of your discovery is that it strongly suggest how the globe/chimney arrangement is ment to be, despite of this annoying piece of metal I still have to figure out the purpose of .



Thanks for your search and informations Conny

Claus C

 

Hi Claus, as for age - the article from which this Saloswet lamp drawing is retrieved, was written in 1910.

/Conny

 

This lamp had some seriuous stresscracks in the donut-tank, and today I deccided to leave this restoring for proff.'s.
These proff's told me they had to drill a hole in the tank to pull out the bulges and afterwards fill it up with silver so it was possible to re-brightnickle the lot.
The glass is to be made by a glass-blower ín the city of Århus, but to do that I was needed to deliver the template/form made of wood. Fortunatly I can make such a template/form my self, as I am a "woodworker".
Next is to wait - but why
Well I have to wait while my russian contact, a mature nice lady, is contacting the Sct. Petersburg, local-historic museum, to see if they can tell how the chimney would look like.
I might be so lucky that the Sct. Peterburg museum even might have a advert for this lamp, at least that is my hope, but time will tell.
The company who started the production of this lamp was founded in the mid 1600. It sound old and impossible, but here back home we have Companys that dates back to the year of 1100 so why not
I will return when my contact, Tatiana, gets more information from Sct. Petersborg local museum.

Claus C

 

any help ?

SVTOCH
T IN SVBT . SP B
Pref . No. 13369 , 15319
5th Christmas 44-12
No. 10064

 

That is exactly the company written in "new"-cyrilic language, that made this lamp
This company existed since the mid 1600- and I hope to receive information to complete the missing chimney from the search information by Tatiana, hopefully by illustrations.
This company started as lamp-manufacturer in the mid 1600 making lamps for the Zar. To produce oil for lamps, they had large areas near Azerbadjan by Boku, where they sort of roasted siberian larch in large piles they covered with earth to slow down burning-process. Doing that - a sort of oilish tar came out, but that was very cost-full production method and these lamps were for a long time only made for the top sorroundng the Zar. The Zar didnt have access to Whales (whaleoil), where the rest of the world got oil from, Whale-lamps.
In the 1800 2 brothers came to Russia and they where experts in the art of producing oil. The two brothers were later famous as the Nobel-brothers and founded the Nobel-price.
They showed how to produce oil from trees, and the Cbtoy-lamp production was expanded from just to service the top around the Zar to service yet a lower part of this "Zar pyramid", so more noble people could afford this lamp and especially the fuel. The lamp-company of course adapted a new burner to this new kind of fuel, as gravitylamps.
After that the lamp-factory moved to Sct.Peterborg and probably invented the first gravitylamp. This is not yet prooven but signs point that way.

Claus C

 

Hello!
This is the kerosene gravity lamp "Светоч" No. 1 (in English transliteration “Svetoch”).
It was produced by "The Light" Partnership’s factory in Saint-Petersburg (SPb). Production date may be defined from 1909 to 1917.
Archival materials suggest that "The Light" Partnership was founded around 1906 and probably existed until 1917.
"Samosvet" (it means “light itself" or “glowing itself”), "Salosvet" (“Hall-light”), “Svetoch” (“Torch” or, figuratively and poetically, “Source of freedom, education, any humanist ideas, etc”) are the names of the lamps made by "The Light" Partnership.
Indicated on the nameplate numbers 13369 and 15319 mean patent numbers.
The patent No.13369 was issued engineer M. Malkiel in 1908 for a gravity flow kerosene-incandescence lamp.
The second patent No.15319 also issued him in 1909 for a gravity flow kerosene-incandescence lamp modification. The improvement of lamps was an evaporator, an upper knee of this one is raised above a liquid level in an annular fuel reservoir.
M. Malkiel, the inventor, was from a famous Moscow merchant family. Малкиель — Википедия
Matthew S. Malkiel was graduated from the Imperial Moscow technical school in 1878; then he worked as an engineer for "The Light" Partnership.
The lantern "Samosvet" intended for outdoor lighting, but the lamp “Svetoch” is for indoor lighting. "Samosvet" and “Svetoch” received Grand Prix of the International exhibition in France, highest awards and gold medals of various exhibitions and has been patented in many countries.
The lamp “Svetoch” No.1 has a luminous intensity of about 650 candelas. It is recommended to use for lighting shops, department stores, restaurants, offices, schools, barracks, etc.
Irina.

 

Welcome, Irina, and that is some excellent information!

 

I will leave here a link to the price list of a trading house in Odessa
Прейскурант торгового дома «И. Собецкий и К». Одесса

 

WOW
I'm amazed you found the post to add your reply to it.

Claus has not been at the forum for a while but I will make sure he sees it.

Great paperwork.

Thanks

 

Great stuff

A lot of German made lamps and burners, Hasag, Hirschorn!

/Conny