That's interesting Matthew, I knew the item would have been placed inside a larger casing, though mine has no such lines scored in any of the windows. It would seem strange to have an electrical device to warn of lamp out, but perhaps the railways were so reliant on oil technology not to fully trust electric lighting back then. I know the then new canal boats built in the mid thirties were fitted with electric cabin lights powered of course from a battery, but there was still the 'Old Guard' who preferred the oil lamp - and it didn't flatten the battery!
May have been a cost+safety issue mains power would be costly to run safely to all points whereas a themocouple or photo electric sensor could be run in low voltage wires safely. Graham
Thanks for the info Derek, i have one of the little welch patent railway lamps marked S for southern, I never noticed the different wick arrangement even though i've lit it quite a few times, i'll have another look at it tonight,
Yup and proud of it! got mainly dietz and other american manufacturers like embury or defiance. got a few feuerhands a bat and a chalwyn. 8) 8)
Well Matthew regarding your post on the Lamp Repeaters the instrument which indicates if lamp is still lit. They are electro/mechanical devices showing two positions, " Lamp on / Lamp off" (see picture )These instruments have a separate audible instrument Lamp bell (or buzzer) which sounds when the "Lamp out" appears in the window. I've also posted a picture of the Pyrometer from a lamp.These devices worked on low voltage electricity supplied by dry cell batteries usually as locations often never had any mains supply. Hope this explains this subject a little. Al
Im hunting a aladdin-lamp on the local market. Anyone who might know if this is a aladdin-lamp Sorry but I dont have any other picture. Claus C
And then you also must get three more 23´s with a red, a green and a white shade to complete the serie!
Christer, I am not that all into wick-lamp. I find them prehistoric in a way - no offend. The way they soak oil up to a wick didnt change much since the first neanderthaler 15000 years ago took som grease from a mammut and put it in a seashell, stuck a piece of grass in it and fired it up so he could carry fire. But I do have a soft spot for the Aladdin-lamp and I consider it as a technical missing link between the seashell and the unique pressurelamps. So I decided the Aladdinburner should be added to my lamps, just for the princip of burning. I know its a dangerous road to start walking - just see where the road of pressurelamps took me. I am collecting like a madman
It might be worth checking where the burner on that one was made. Some people seems to have had some issues with the ones made in Hong-Kong, even if it's not always the case. Apparently they varied a bit in quality. I couldn't tell myself. I think all my 23´s were made in England, and they work good enough for me.
I'm pretty sure that colour tank and shade came from England. No guarantee though as I prefer the older Aladdins.
Ah, yes. The Super Aladdin gives a much higher feeling of quality. Unfortunately I only have one, but it's a nice piece. The 23´s feel "cheaper", but thats generally how it is with modern stuff.
For a user lamp I would choose a 21 or the first of the 23s. They work very well and are designed for the mantles that are available today. You really need the old mantle frame to get the best performance out of a 12 or SA. The older ones look nicer though.
Ok Nils. This is the lamp I thought about fitting a 23-aladdin-burner to. I came from my grandmom - from sweden - perhaps bought in Copenhagen. The burner is wornout and some fettling was earlier done I think to addapt the Holmegård-shade. Here without a shade. I like the glass. It stays fresh for hundreds of years. Now it is going for the bookshelf, while I got the Aladdin-lamp you advised me to buy instead of converting another lamp. What is the difference between the 21 and the 23? I cant see it. Claus C
That's a nice looking lamp with what should be a good quality Kosmos burner. Should work well. I'm not really sure what the changes were between the 21, 21C and the 23. I believe it was mainly production optimisation (cheaper to make).
Here's two of my Aladdins in action, both with Type 12 burners, the one on the left with an earlier font... Normally they live in separate rooms but I put them together for the picture. I have a couple of those but unfortunately the fonts need re-chroming...
The Aladdin model 14 burner also fits the WW2., English made Bakelite table lamp. The link below shows my example, Jeff. 3 Mantle Lamps.
It's mainly the wick lifter I think which has always been a weakness on these lamps.. Jeff - I really like the Bakelite version, I narrowly missed out on one that came up a few weeks back. It wasn't in as good a condition as yours though.
Holy cow Jeff - did you fettle with the photo to make the light so bright looks like a pressurelamp. Beautifull lamps
Did you mean Jeff or were you talking about my picture of the two Aladdins? Either way they are very bright, certainly good enough to comfortably read by. They key I think is to correctly trim the wick so that you get a perfectly even ring of fire inside the mantle. Also allow them to warm up before turning them up and don't be tempted to set them too high or you will just get a sooty mantle...
Yes Gneiss - I ment your photo my mistake because I took the link below right after to Jeff's lamps and messed up. The light looks very bright and I cant wait to get my lamp home - it should be here wednesday and then I will take a close look at what burner it is so I can order the correct mantle. I would sure like it to shine like your lamps. I have only seen it on this poor photo from further back this thread, but the guy sounded alright. If it is a Aladdin 23, will it be just as shiny? Claus C
Hi, the LOX-ON mantle part number R150-P979908 usually just referred to as R150 fits all burners from the Type 12 onward, so that covers models 12, A, B, C, 21, 21C and 23... It doesn't specifically mention the Type 14 (Super Aladdin) but I have two of them with two different galleries and the same mantle fits both types. I believe it has been said that the centre draft burners are more efficient and that may be so, but the most important factors by miles are the choice of mantle and correct trimming of the wick so that you get a perfectly even flame all the way round - far trickier to achieve than you might imagine! So I'm quite sure the Type 23 will be every bit as bright..
Well now I got the lamp and it is a Aladdin 23 with a burner made in England. BUT when it came the shade had a 10 cm crack It had 3 smaller dents and worst of all, someone had tryed to dismantle the top of the burner wiht a screwdriver and it was demolished so much I for a long time couldnt un-screw the top, wich have to come of every time you have to light it up. It took me 1 hour to fettle it apart, and another hour to straighten it out with a lot of different handtools Anyway it works perfectly and I just need to buy 4 shades instead of 3 With it follow a round-wick ekstra mrk. Aladdin. The guy did pack it properly but I think postman Pat was too rough in his handling. Lukily it was cheap but I think the crack and the dents will last longer than my joy of saving money Claus C
The good news is, as you know, they aren't rare lamps and it's easy to get replacement parts... If the chimney survived then at least you can use it without the shade Have you had it lit with a mantle then? Happy with the brightness?
Hi Gneiss Thanks for cheering me up I didnt get a lockson-mantle yet. The seller told me there was a ekstra Aladdin-mantle and he was a bit confused explaining, so I waited for the lamp to arrive so I could see what the whole lot was. Im glad I did, while its possible for me now to get a shade from: http://hytta.de/aladdin2/Aladdin-Green-Ribbed-Shade,776.htm right away, to save shipment-costs, wich is the same place I buy the lox-onmantles. But I promise to follow up with photos I dont know where else to buy spareparts for Aladdin - I dont think any spares are closer to me than Stuga-cabana. Claus C
For new parts here in the UK I tend to use these people http://www.johnmoncrieff.co.uk Or depending on what it is, things like mantles, eBay. I usually buy them in lots of 5 or 10 and you often see "slight seconds", it's much cheaper that way. As I say parts for Alladins are quite common and I'm sure you'll find sellers who will ship to you.
My latest lamp has arrived and in very good condition... It's an Aladdin Type 12 with the English font. I've been looking for one for a while to go with my other two Type 12. It needs the burner replacing as the cog has lost some teeth, but the wick lifter, gallery and font are good which was the main thing. The English version is to the front, standard version to the rear - I'm not actually sure which I prefer out of those two, probably the English one.
Lucky you Gneiss I almost never see Aladdin-lamps for sale in Danmark - wish we did. The new one looks more clean in the lines - me like. Claus C
