Neither do I. Merely mentioning a location cannot possibly constitute racism. Several members here live in north-east England. Is that a racist statement? - or nothing more than a statement of fact? 8) On the other hand, "you ******g English twit' is almost certainly racist (although it wouldn't cause me to turn a hair, to be honest...)
Almost right. It was actually a phrase I used with both Fil and the Late John Claypole. Both were guys obsessed with lamps just about powerful enough to avoid bumping in to furniture and were wont to disparage real lamps that were actually useful. So banter? Yes it was but with a couple of guys who were more than capable of getting their own back on this young upstart. ::Neil::
The post is nice, very nice and to throw away 3000 posts is a waste, Jeff. I don't know about differences and relationship between Scottish or Shetlanders (does this word exist?) and Englishmen but I guess that no one wanted to offend; just stay.
Hello Juan, yes, I'm a Shetlander and that is the correct term. Yourself and several other members have been very supportive and my thanks to you all for that! Jeff. PS.. I spoke with Neil on the phone tonight and because of that discussion, I realised that I have been over sensitive to Mick's comments and part of the reason for that, is that since last Autumn I have suffered many family bereavements and there is another funeral this Wednesday and so the stress builds up. Also, as several members have said, why should I let one person ruin this website for me, Jeff.
I was not going to comment on the argument but I feel I should. I know both guys and count them as friends. I know very well what is behind the antipathy here and I know it has nothing to do racism of any form but is entirely personal. However we WILL NOT please discuss here what that may be. Both gentlemen concerned have considerable knowledge of our subject gleaned from many years of collecting and research and it will be a great loss if we lose one because of an argument that in fact has no place in this public forum. So please don’t leave Jeff. Your contributions are valued by many and would be sorely missed. ::Neil::
Excellent - that's more like it! And thanks all for explaining "wicky crap"! I should have guessed it was banter between pals.
Hopefully as the topic starter, I will be allowed to comment on what I feel was an unpleasant and unnecessary interjection in this thread: I'm somewhat disappointed and a little miffed that anyone should choose to take offense at a single thread in the open forum on a topic that is clearly of interest to several other members. A point that seems to have been missed, deliberately or otherwise, is that this thread serves as a focus for such discussion, as opposed to having individual related threads dotted throughout the open forum; and therefore I would suggest far easier avoided by anyone genuinely wishing to do so! Seriously the title could not have been less ambiguous... I will not respond here to further replies on this diversion and anyone wishing to reply to this post can please do so IN PRIVATE.
How well I know that feeling... and nice work... On starting this thread I did have wick lamps in mind, but as the title suggests in does include other lamps too, so.... After a trip to a boot fair I have this little addition to my collection. Complete in it's box for £5.. Definitely off topic here but for £2 I couldn't resist I also picked up this... Chucks out a surprising amount to heat for it's size...
Ye Gods half a mile of wicky crap and now profane where will it all end I wonder? I should say perhaps that I do actually have a very few wicky crap beasts around here. I know, I know, it does nothing for my street cred but any serious collector of Coleman just has to have a model 160 and I also have a beautiful brass table lamp sitting beside me which I know nothing about except it came from the Netherlands and cost me €30. If I ever find out what it is and get it sorted to actually work then I might just show it here. ::Neil::
I don't want to get involved but this makes me trigger. If somebody feels offended then it is not the site owner, administrator nor a moderator to disagree with that.
Go on admit it, they are both rather cute... Anyway if I'm going to Newark and living in a tent I want to stay warm somehow and I'm certainly not paying the prices I've seen some of the paraffin radiators go for. I have no idea when they were made though. I think the lamp may be fairly new and it has the tiniest mantle I've ever seen.
I think, once again, you need to read the whole thread, Wim - particularly Jeff's post (30959) above. In any event, we weren't discussing whether someone was offended - clearly that was the case at the time - but whether what offended him was racist (by any definition) or not - there's a big difference...
Is that just wise advice WimVe? I don't recall anyone with those titles suggesting the person shouldn't be offended. As it had been brought up in the open I think I'm perfectly entitled to state my opinion that I don't see it as racism even if it did cause offence.
Apoplexy, I shouldn't wonder... Anyway, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, so can anyone tell me how I fit the bit I'm holding into this wickie-crap lamp... Excuse me while I now go and wash my hands - they stink.
Proper man smell! Love it! Actually I think I did suggest folk shouldn't be offended by wicky lamps on CPL as it's ok in the Open Forum. Oops! I'm off to photo some LED lamps.
David, your lamp looks like it could do with a bit of TLC... maybe now you've taken the first step you could bite the bullet As mentioned above the little thimble shaped flame spreader just pushes in, assuming neither it or the tube it slides into have been deformed. Be very gentle with it though as they are so easily dented and even with the slightest dent the lamp will never burn right until it is straightened or replaced. Will we see it fully restored at Newark?
Screw that! Get a real lamp. And as we all know, those run on acetylene from the stunning magic of water meeting calcium carbide, and nothing less!
It turns out that my little gas lamp is French (Confort Lampe) and was advertised in 1975... I'm not sure what period it spans though, but older than I thought.
It's actually better than it looks there - possibly something to do with the flash. More likely aim the bullet... Now you're just being ridiculous - you've got more chance seeing Stephen Hawking doing an impression of Jerry Lee Lewis playing 'Great Balls of Fire'... The thimble thingie is just too tight to push in and I don't want to force it. Should I try lowering the wick, pushing the thingie in and then raising the wick? I might bring it to Newark and if it can't be fixed and nobody wants it, it could be wanged... And just to push Neil completely over the edge:- Each cost just £15 - the Buflam and Rippingilles are unlit examples...
They are reasonably tight but should push in easily. They are all to easily damaged by applying undue pressure I'm afraid.. If you bring the lamp to Newark I'll have another thimble you can try... PS. Looking at the picture again it looks as though something is pushed into the thimble... a bit of brass tubing or similar??
Thanks! Yes, there is - just off to get my hands smelly again... ...it's meant to be there, being crimped (the black spot in the centre) in three places to the outer bit. The brass tube is also swaged(?) wider at the lower end so that probably explains why it doesn't push straight in. It's got 'Model 11 generator' marked on the top - any ideas anybody...
All pressurelampcollectors has a wicklamp. If they say they dont they lie. I like the beauty and romance the wicklamps often possess which often lacks at the pressurelamps. I find it nice to see the development towards pressurelamps as is a debated area, and interrests I think all collectors. I would hate to see a thread like this disappear though it isnt my maininterest and because threads like this I bought my first Aladdin-lamp 23, a wick-lamp with a mantle. Adding pressure could be an older invention than we think Claus C
As I recall a model 11 flame spreader won't fit the later models. Mind you if you apply the fine old engineering principle that if it won't go then force it then you can always ease it in with a 4lb Cammel Laird Screwdriver. ::Neil::
The later models were all single piece and straight sided, but the diameter is the same... The good news is that the later model flame spreaders do fit a model 11 burner, more often than not the original has been replaced anyway. The only issue with fitting a later version thimble to the model 11 is that the model 11 has no stop in the burner tube so it's easy to push it in too far, you then have to retrieve it by poking a bit of wooden dowel through from underneath! David - as you may know the thimble is supposed to be air tight but still loose enough to adjust the height. The theory is that you adjust it so that as much of the mantle is illuminated as possible. Too high or too low and you will only illuminate either the top or the bottom half of the mantle. Theory is a wonderful thing, in practice it's a right pain in the backside to get right although you do get a feel for it after a while on each lamp.
The problem is that the lamp is a Model 21 so a flame spreader for one of those would more likely fit properly. No, I haven't really got much idea how these infernal things work beyond that the flame from the wick causes a rigid mantle to incandesce. I have a spare chimney somewhere, a good few mantles that I must find and even two tripod thingies to support a shade. However, I've been told these aluminium lamps weren't designed to support a glass shade - not that I've got one of those, anyway...
Hi David, yes I meant good news with regard to the fact that the older lamps can be kept going with later parts... The flame spreaders I have will all fit the model 21 so do bring it along to Newark PS. Just thought though, without a shade you'll have to be careful it doesn't outshine your pressure lamps...
