Petromax 500CP vs Butane lantern lumen output?

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  1. JonD

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    Surely it's not off topic for the open forum. I quite like the new 240Volt LEDs now that they have produced a reasonable colour temperature. I wonder if 2700-3000K is available in 12V? I can't think I have seen it.

    Before that LED light was not for seeing by. Cold and horrible most of it.
     
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    Any solution that makes sense is welcome :) The problem with a LED setup involving an automotive battery is that the average car battery is designed for delivering a big short burst, not for deep cycles. The batteries designed for deep cycles are gel based and much more expensive. Such investment (solar panel+charging circuit+gel batt+lighting+wiring) wouldn't make sense for the odd power cut.
     
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    The Petromax 500cp could be a little pricey. An inexpensive Petromax clone like the earlier posted picture would suit the lighting requirements if she doesn't mind the fuelling, preheat, mantles and pumping hassles. Not necessarily 500cp, perhaps rated 350cp.
    Anyway, do you mean a 60W incandescent light bulb or an LED bulb that's actually rated at 60W? They would differ considerably in terms of lumen output. (The LED would have a much higher lumen per Watt).
    For an elderly lady who's not so technically-inclined, operating pressure lamps could be a daunting task.
    I'd suspect some cheap LED stuffs off the shelf would be what's really needed there.
     
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    With reference to old ladies... I recently sold one of my Tilley 246b's to the granny of a young fella I know because she heard about my collection and remembered using them in her childhood. She's in her late 70s and seems perfectly happy filling, preheating and lighting them. The good thing about Tilleys specifically and Kero lanterns in general is they are pretty simple to use and relatively safe. So long as she doesn't bash it around, the mantles should last which reminds me, I'd best ask if she wants me to source some replacements in case the one I fitted fails.

    I think an instant source of lighting (a few dirt cheap LED torches dotted around) would be a wise move for the first 10 minutes of the power outage, with the Tilley or similar ready to provide long term lighting after that.
     
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    Of course she has at least 7 of those around the house since the last incident :)
     
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    As a side note, what model is the lantern presented in this video? With 2 mantles I suspect that should have a decent lumen output.
     
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    That's Coleman but those canisters don't come cheap. As you mostly want this for standby use that might not matter.
    You could consider making up a refilling rig from a larger bottle but that comes with some risks.
     
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    Well I shan't be apologising as it is clear the original poster is neither a collector or user of pressure lamps and came to this forum because he remembered using Petromax lamps in the army. His question is quite simply answered with a 'No' pressure lamps are not what you are looking for as they definitely don't fit the brief! quote 'I need something that can be used by a not-so-technically-inclined lady in a grab-and-use situation' so I broke the cardinal rule of actually trying to help with a suggestion that would actually fit his brief...So no apologies from me.

    Martin I need something that can be used by a not-so-technically-inclined lady in a grab-and-use situation
     
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    Indeed, being for standby use the cost of 2-3 canisters isn't very relevant. But what model of Coleman is that?
     
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    @Adrian Not one that I know, but it would be interesting to find out. I wondered if it was a gas conversion from something like a 285 but that would be more work than it's worth.
    Maybe they did produce something like that - it has passed me by. I expect the Coleman Collectors Forum is the place to start looking.
    Coleman Collectors Forum

    Closer to home there is this rare beast in the reference gallery.
    5152C

    Actually search for "coleman propane lantern" will find plenty of hits for what is in the video, it seems to be called a perfect flow lantern.
     
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    I was going to suggest you a Coleman NorthStar propane version but I don’t think the cartridges they use are readily available there. That’s my NorthStar and my refillable propane bottle CF0296F1-7CC0-4B79-A88C-E03C18E5DA74.jpeg
     
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    I have the Flame King refillable carts too, not perfect but overall I like them.
     
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    I have 3 of them and looking to add more. My first kit was purchased at HD 2 years ago or so then they discontinued selling them due to a recall but I haven’t had any issues with mine. Then I bought another 2 bottles from Walmart online (different seller not by Walmart) and they are doing good.
     
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    I can think of two approaches that would suit the needs of the lady.
    Firstly is an LPG light that works from a relatively large refillable LPG cylinder. One such as that linked to a few posts back. The "Bullfinch Handilight" is another somewhat similar product. These are no longer made, but production ceased only recently and they are still available.

    The other approach is a 12 volt battery charged from the mains and a couple of 12 volt LED or fluorescent lamps. A 12 volt 60 ampere hour deep cycle battery will cost in the region of £60 in the UK and should last at least 5 years if kept charged.
    A couple of 12 volt lamps can be used from dusk till midnight for up to a week from that size battery.
     
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    In the end, my old relative ended up using a big centre draught lamp that I managed to acquire after much digging trough the local equivalent of craiglsist and I ended up owning a Sea Anchor clone. The story would be quite long and has some funny parts (the lady gave me a "he must be losing his mind" look while I was demonstrating her the pumping part :lol: ) but at the end of the day everything was sorted out nicely.
    Thanks everyone who offered advice :thumbup:
     

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