Testing burners

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  1. Jacob van Pareen South Africa

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    I agree that the alcohol preheat is preferable.
    I have both a Petromax and a Sea Anchor, with a rapid preheat feature. In both the lanterns this works, but rough! I even think that the mantle takes some strain!

    I tried 6 Bar air pressure thru the jet, after soaking it in lacquer thinners for a day. The kerosene jet stream profile improved significantly!
    I fine tuned the angle of the preston loop, such that the kerosene jet stream hits the loop spot-on. I found it less "violent" on the mantle, and heats the preston loop quicker.

    But still, I rather do the alcohol, (methanol), preheat.
     
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    It might not just be the air holes.
    You might also want check whether the air path/space between the conical hollow, #16 and the cone, #9 has been narrowed or closed-in too much.
    Sometimes, the upper valve block part, #15 can be torqued down so much that it over-deforms the sealing, #14. This can position #16 and #9 so close together as to be in contact and almost shutting off the air path:

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  3. Tony Press

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    I’ve got it running ok (not perfect) now, so I’ll leave it until I do a couple more rapids.

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  4. Jacob van Pareen South Africa

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    How long do you have to run that rapid flame, to have the kerosene fully vapourizer?
    (Looks like the flame does not reach the loop)?
     
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    @Jacob van Pareen

    I forgot to get back to you…

    About 45 seconds to a minute…


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    Testing the vapouriser on a 1959 Tilley X246.

    I’m using my test burner, hood and mantle as this lantern came with a NOS hood, burner and mantle that I’ll use for display rather than on this lamp. I’ll put together a replacement burner and hood for this lantern, and as it came in a well made wooden box, it will be a user.

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    The vapouriser passed the test!


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    I made up a replacement hood and burner for the 1959 Tilley X246 (immediately above) and tested it on “David” the test Tilley:

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    It’s working very well so I will now give the lantern a basic service, do some repairs on its workshop-made transport box, and put it into the camping stash.


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  9. Jacob van Pareen South Africa

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    Thanks Tony.....
    Relitavely long...
     
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    Testing an unused Optimus 1551 (the Chinese steel 500cp lantern). I don’t usually light unused lanterns, but this model is nothing special and I want another 500cp camping light.

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    Looking a bit rich here…
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    But it straightened itself out with a test mantle.
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    I’ll test it again tomorrow with the glass and hood fitted — these Chinimus 500cp lanterns have a reputation for running too hot. As a result the 500cp nipples are often replaced with a 350cp nipple and pricker.


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  11. Jacob van Pareen South Africa

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    Beautiful pictures.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Foes it also run hot, with lower pressure?
     
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    @Jacob van Pareen

    I don’t usually run lamps under their recommended pressure, but I’ll test next time I use this lamp.

    Cheers

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    Giving a newly acquired Coleman 200A (1980) a test before cleaning it up and putting a mantle on it.

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    Looks like a perfect burn from the pictures:thumbup:
     
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    Now with mantle…

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    I bought a rough looking Tilley X246 (1949-1953) for a very good price because it had a “deep” 171 globe and the first version of the black hood that looked in good shape. The price justified the glass alone, but I hoped the burner and the vapouriser might also be ok.

    Dirty and dusty as it was, with a rusty cage, it was actually in quite good condition.

    Here I go testing the burner and the vapouriser:

    1. Checking the uncleaned burner with a known 169 vapouriser.


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    The burner needs its flame holes cleaned and a general clean, but it’s in good order.

    2. Testing the 606 vapouriser that came with the lantern, using a known burner and mantle.

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    The vapouriser is fine!


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    Lucky finds.:thumbup:
     
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    Testing a 1963 Canadian Coleman 249.

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    This is a good unit. Slightly older than me.


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    Testing the (almost) twin of the above lantern, another Canadian Coleman 249. This time it’s 3/63 while the one above is 2/63.


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    The twins

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    I’m happy with these two.


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    Testing the burner on a reconstructed* Coleman 427:


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    *This lantern is configured from an incomplete 427 and a 427 that had damaged check valve seat in the pump tube making the tank inoperable.

    You can see in the photos that I’ve started it with a filler cap fitted with a schrader valve: this was to get the mantles set at 2 atmospheres.

    I’ll keep this lantern as a user. It’s working very well.


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    Well done :clap: :D/
     
  23. Jacob van Pareen South Africa

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    A good tip; to test parts with other parts, known to work, thanks.
     
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    This Coleman 288 came with the fuel still on the tank, and the mantles intact (almost), so I just fired it up to see if it had any problems.

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    You may notice the red brass at the top of the left hand side mantle. That mantle is loose and hot vapour is escaping up from the burner. I’ll put a new mantle on.


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    Looks good @Tony Press but why the preheating torch? Anything wrong with the instant light system? Or is just a habit.
    I have one 285 that I run on jet-a fuel (no need to change anything) and I do use my Tilley preheating torches too
     
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    @Pancholoco1911

    On first light-up of a new gasoline lamp I usually use a torch just in case there’s some problem. Once I’ve set them running properly I use the instant light method.

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    Changed the dreaded Coleman clip on mantles on the 288 for Peerless mantles:

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    You’ll notice that, even though the two mantles came out of the same packet, the left hand side one is bigger. It’s not the burner — the mantles were different sizes before burning. It’s ok. The lantern is working well.

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    Was this a new pack of the Peerless mantles?
    I've noticed that they are all not the same size.
     
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    Relatively new Peerless 2C-HG. I’ve noticed this before, so now I’ll go through the batch and size-match them.

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    Testing a Coleman 295-700T:

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    That should be ok. Mantles tomorrow.


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