Ok ok I give up you guys. I will try to make you both happy by posting a action-picture tomorrow. Claus C
Neil will no doubt tell you all you need to know about your amazing lamps. After finding my unusual version it has bugged me ever since. A lot of questions that can't be answered at this time. S.D.R. What does that mean, I saw a Australian advert that said they had special reflectors and said they were beam lamps so possibly special distance reflectors or even special dural reflectors, just possibilities. It's interesting if you check the original drawing for the patent number http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio;jsessionid=541B7303C0EF2DE9AEC478A6A1DA8554.espacenet_levelx_prod_3?FT=D&date=19460909&DB=&&CC=GB&NR=580472A&KC=A&ND=1&locale=en_EP to see that it has a seperate filler and pump and the same tubed hood and even mentions that it could have different surface finishes to the glass as my lamp has. The whole hood on my one is made of aluminium and no idea what the finish is. Hope Neil sheds some more light on your great find. He will no doubt have an idea about the yellow paint.
SDR would certainly be something with Special and Reflector, so maybe Double in the middle. Strange that nothing written explains it from Tilleys register - its not a really old lamp. I like to think SoDamnRavishing The alu-top on your lamp is really strange. I have never seen a pressurelamp with a alu-hood and aluminium is a rather new material to use in production. The hood of my lamp is solid brass and very heavy, so your lamp must be a improvement and a later model I think. It seems there is ongoing changes in this lamps production, leaving more than just the 3 models/var. What do you mean about "no idea what the finish is" I dont understand that part - sorry Well I think I know what the yellow paint is. The 4 lamps came from the same place we were told. The 2 new lamps didnt carry a yellow spot. My "user" did, and also the other used one belonging to the other lamp-guy. When I wanted to test the userlamp, then it ended up in flames first time And I had to change the vapourizer. After that it was burning very nice and bright - but - the yellow mark on the hood thereafter disappeared. I think it simply is a "fault"-mark, showing this lamp needs TLC, showing it is not useable for now. We do the same with our fencing-equipment when it fail during tournaments. I would very much like to see a picture of your lamps hood or the lot of it. Claus C
Since there is an LDR too, albeit rarer than an SDR it is a reasonable thought that the acronym stands for Short and Long errr.. DRs. Ian
What I meant was I didn't know what the finish was to the hood, although in the photo it looks like all the other brass hoods when you see it in natural light it is actually beige/gold colour hard to explain but a unusual colour anyway. Neil said he didn't think that very high temperature paint was made that far back, could be anodised I suppose. It has pimples the same as the reflectors, doesn't look like your reflectors have that problem or did you polish them out? http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/5658
Nobody seems to have ever seen the L.D.R and it's just been given that name going on part numbers for parts that are available for it.
The hood is without any traces of bubbles/pimples and the reflectors too. I did only do surface-cleaning - no rape-polishing at all. The hood do look a Little strange in the surface as it looks like the productionplant didnt polish them after pressing them. It is still possible to see the marks from the pressing-tools and the surface didnt get brass-old like brass normally do. They did look a bit more gold-ish as you suggest and I cant help thinking "white metal" wich were used a lot in the 1960's for doorhandles for cars, often cromed afterwards. Interesting lamp you have Ian. I didnt see it while the topic is before me and it didnt appear when I made a advanced search before this topic. This is a copy from the internet - maybe that will Work: http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/5658 I would like that glass of yours but it really wouldnt be right even if I got it. What I meant in ongoing types, is that ex. the pump with the ear-airscrew on my lamps shouldnt sit on my type of lamp, compared to the rest of this type known lamps. But that is just bits and pieces - not a basic change as your lamp has. Btw. the way to light this lamp isnt very userfriendly using the clip-heater as described. There is hardly aný room for it as on the ex. 246, and afterwards it is pretty hot to handle when removing. Claus C
Christer Thats why my copy worked - I did wonder for a while and yes it took some time, I had to beat the cat, make coffee and speel words in google-translate - but this one only took 20 min Claus C
Hope the cat has recovered. Your lamp looks exactly as it should, I think the brass is affected by the heat. Thought I had a photo that showed the colour of my lamp but it looks pretty much the same as yours in the photo I will try and take a better photo for you. It was one of the first things I noticed when I first saw the lamp then I noticed the seperate filler, the glass was very dirty and I had thought that someone had painted it half black but when I started to clean it I noticed it had a mirror finish. Wonder if your pump is original not sure what lamps used these with the ears on, have seen other pumps on the S.D.R as well.
Perhaps SDR., = short double reflector and LDR., = long double reflector. The SDR., does use the 606 vapouriser. The link below shows the Excellent and it appears to use the 169 vapouriser and it also appears to have a filler cap as well as a pump, Jeff. http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/856
You might have something there, the finish on my Alloy parts have gone a bit like the old die cast door handles on cars kind of pitted or bubbled. Funny how you mention not having much room for the pre heater. The L.D.R uses the 169 vapouriser which is 2 inches longer than the 606 But the glass is only slightly bigger than the S.D.R so I would think that the whole lot would be moved higher giving more room for the torch but at the same time not giving any increase in the reflected area so not being any longer than the S.D.R. It might be made this way to allow room for fitting the bicycle pump fitting that is used for the L.D.R. In one of the photo's I have of my lamp you can see an area of fresher looking paint that looks just about the same shape and size of the transfer that's normally there but unfortunately it's not. Don't know if any of this makes sense to anyone.
That's what I thought, too, Jeff - although small double reflector and large double reflector are also possibilities. Either would be a reflection (sorry!) of the use of the 606 and 169 vapourisers. I would guess the Excellent (or LDR if it is such) wasn't a success just after the war because the benefits of 400cp (reflected) over 300cp from the new X246 weren't sufficient to overcome the price premium Tilley would no doubt have been charging...
http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/224 This one has the same pump. Just weighed the complete hood on my one and it weighs 405g probably not much to go by but I also weighed a x246 type 1 and it was 506g, noticeably heavier. The hood cap is not magnetic.
Sorry Jeff - I cant open your link. A wild suggestion about the SDR and LDR, could also be ShortDistanceReflector and LongDistanceReflector, and the LDR might have something to do with a mirror or something like that, if that exist somewhere on the globes for these lamps Claus C
If the reflectors are the same size and the glass is virtually the same size, what is making one long/large and the other short/small?
The 606 is 5" long whereas the 169 is 7" long... It's a similar situation as with the X246, X246A and X246B series compared with the BR49, BR49A and BR49B series. The former three use the 606 vapouriser and the latter three use the 169. Thus the BR series lanterns are approximately 2" taller because they have taller globe cages to accommodate the longer vapouriser which is needed to provide space for the paraffin preheater...
The distance dont have to be between the reflectors. It could be the lamps abillity to throw light out on a long distance, ex. by a mirror on the glass. The same way as FL refers to a flood of light ex. Just refering to the gap between the reflectors would almost be like making fun as Laurel and Hardy. Claus C
Claus C I was refering to Davids comment. I think we are talking about two different things, short double reflector and long double reflector,short distance for the beam or short between the two reflectors because the way I see it the length of the vapouriser makes no difference if the glass is virtually the same size to both lamps all it means is there will be more room underneath for pre heater toch or whatever.
In my own opinion I don't think that the S stands for short and I don't think there is any such thing as an L.D.R lamp. Like you say short distance between the two reflectors would be a joke.
My vision of the LDR is that it has the same reflectorhood as the SDR, but with the longer more pre-heatingfriendly vapourizer, and a mirror in the glass like your lamp, ment for throwing the light out on L ong D istance as a flashlightparabol-thingy, which the SDR dont - it lights only on the S hort Distance around the user. I do believe the LDR exist and I'm going to hunt down Bigfoot until I get it taking it from his dead paws (a NOS of course) Claus C
Yes I know and thats why Im sorry - I dont have internetbanking so I cant pay to get my picture on the avatarwall And even worse - some of the topics I made my self, I cant even see them while they go to the holy place where I as mortal cant come. I can only watch, weep and wave, while the autorities takes them away Yes I know Im old fashion - but I get a lot of lamps from foreign countries anyway Claus C
just realized it's an ongoing payment for membership so it would have to be direct debit or something.
